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re: The ATL Thread 5/1: Braves @ Marlins; April in review

Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:32 pm to
Posted by The White Lobster
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:32 pm to
heyward already has won a gold glove dumbass
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:33 pm to
You mean like he did in 2012?
Posted by Patron Saint
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:33 pm to
Neither the Marlins winning a WS nor Heyward winning a GG are indicative of either's ability as a player.

ETA: And I also doubt that what you said will be true.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 11:34 pm
Posted by The White Lobster
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:34 pm to
i guess the marlins have 1997 and 2003, so he wins this time
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:34 pm to
You think he is willing to make a ban bet on that?
Posted by Patron Saint
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:34 pm to
:lol:
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:34 pm to
But they won those as the florida marlins. They haven't done shite as miami.
Posted by Patron Saint
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:36 pm to
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You think he is willing to make a ban bet on that?



I know I'd be willing. Heyward will probably win a Gold Glove this year, and even still I would never use a Gold Glove as a true sign of a player's defensive ability. Up until the last couple years, the Gold Glove was only a mark of a guy who could hit and make cool diving plays.
Posted by cheesesteak501
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:37 pm to
Yeah it will. World Series number 3 comin atcha. two more than Atlanta....
Posted by cheesesteak501
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:41 pm to
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But they won those as the florida marlins. They haven't done shite as miami.



Practically same as Atlanta. WS or bust homie.
Posted by Patron Saint
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:42 pm to
Just curious, why are you a Marlins fan? I see that you're an LSU fan and you're from California. Not trying to question your fandom, really just wondering.
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:43 pm to
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I wouldn't have a problem with that. When someone uses RBI and batting average, I have to argue with that.


This is one thing I hate about the new stats, people try to act like the old ones aren't important anymore.
You can't tell me that batting average isn't the best stat for how good a hitter is at hitting the ball and reaching base safely. And you can't tell me RBI's aren't a good indication of how well a player can knock in runs (although RBI's do greatly depend on your teammates).
The new stats are great, but they supplement the old stats, they don't replace them.
Posted by Patron Saint
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:48 pm to
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You can't tell me that batting average isn't the best stat for how good a hitter is at hitting the ball and reaching base safely


You're right I can't, because that is precisely the purpose of that stat.

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And you can't tell me RBI's aren't a good indication of how well a player can knock in runs


Right again, because that is precisely the use of that stat.

But neither of those stats is a good measurement of a player's value. Like you even partially admitted, RBI are 100% reliant on others unless you are hitting solo home runs. And as for BA, is a guy who hits .375 with nothing but singles and 0 walks better than a guy who hits .275 with a .380 OBP and slugs .500? I certainly don't think so.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 11:49 pm
Posted by cheesesteak501
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:51 pm to
I'm not from California. I'm a Marlins fan, cuz we rule.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 11:54 pm
Posted by lsu31always
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:53 pm to
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batting average isn't the best stat
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reaching base safely
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 12:14 am to
lol what a thread
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:34 am to
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And as for BA, is a guy who hits .375 with nothing but singles and 0 walks better than a guy who hits .275 with a .380 OBP and slugs .500?

I could use a similar argument as you do for RBI's. If a pitcher throws you strikes you can't walk, so it's not entirely up to the hitter
Posted by Patron Saint
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:14 am to
Except you aren't facing the same pitcher every game so it evens out over a large sample size. You are, for the most part, playing with the same teammates in the same lineup every game.
Posted by Boomtown
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:27 am to
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probably not


Probably
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:43 am to
Just saw something on a fantasy baseball website telling users to be careful starting pitchers in Marlins park bc there are rumors the Marlins are stealing signs at home
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