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re: The Angel Reese "mebounds" myth dispelled

Posted on 8/31/26 at 10:30 am to
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/31/26 at 10:30 am to
Did anyone who actually saw Moses and Angel actually play make that comparison because I have and if Moses was still alive he would have a great case to sue you for slander.
This post was edited on 8/31/26 at 10:31 am
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/31/26 at 1:14 pm to
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Who would be her NBA comp?


Reese is a tough comp b/c the efficiency and turnovers usually don't translate to long careers in the NBA.

I'd say the best statistical comp is probably a young Boogie Cousins. He turned it over a lot in his first years, and also shot very inefficiently. He still put up respectable boards and ppg, but largely because of volume.

He also shot from average at 8.4 feet, so he is taking a few harder shots. Boogie also got better, but Reese's restricted area shooting is only improving marginally, and she hasn't shown a midrange game of note.

ETA: i went back to see if there is a comp in college, and it was just as difficult to find a modern era player that was shooting that much so inefficiently, turning the ball over and staying on the court. The only real comp statistically was back in the 60s with Ray Kosanke of Stanford. There were some players that had some bad years, e.g. Chris Washburn at NC State his freshman year, but he did finish better and like Boogie improved.

Most NBA players don't stay on the court with that efficiency at finishing. Joel Pryzbilla had a notable awful year, but he bounced back to a decent restricted area percentage the next year.

There really isn't a good NBA comp when you look at efficiency and turnovers. I don't watch enough WNBA to know about historical "style" comps, but the few players that could stay on the court with similar efficiency and turnover margins were LaTasha Byers or Rebekka Brunson. Neither were given that much of an offensive role though.

Reese's standout stat is generally ORB%. In the NBA, Andre Drummond makes a living on having that skill, but he is much more efficient and less turnover prone.
This post was edited on 8/31/26 at 1:53 pm
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
19123 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 4:06 pm to
Angel living rent free in a lot of heads
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
12790 posts
Posted on 9/1/26 at 3:47 pm to
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Did anyone who actually saw Moses and Angel actually play make that comparison because I have and if Moses was still alive he would have a great case to sue you for slander.


Moses used to get criticized by some ignorant people about padding his rebounding stats. He also took all his shots close to the basket but was still a sub-50% shooter for his career. He was a double-double machine, just like Angel, and is a Hall-of-Famer.

Angel would obviously have to have a long career, but she is also on a HOF pace.

Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3391 posts
Posted on 9/1/26 at 4:26 pm to
I saw Moses play plenty he could make uncontested layups put backs and had a nice jumper from 10 feet in. Angel can do none of these things. Stop slandering Moses!
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 9/1/26 at 4:28 pm to
Did you unironically compare Moses to Angel Reese on a public forum?
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1085 posts
Posted on 9/1/26 at 4:32 pm to
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Did you unironically compare Moses to Angel Reese on a public forum?


I think Jeff Teague did it, but it was meant as a rib. Moses caught flack about padding his stats with rebounds, but he shot 49.5% and had a 19% ORB rate over a very long career.
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
12790 posts
Posted on 9/1/26 at 4:56 pm to
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Did you unironically compare Moses to Angel Reese on a public forum?


And I'm not the only one who has.

Search: Moses Malone and Angel Reese. You'll see several basketball experts other than me who have made the comp.

But again, I think comparing women to men in sports is just dumb.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32700 posts
Posted on 9/1/26 at 4:58 pm to
She is a "person who annoys me".
Posted by CarolinaSandstorm
Member since Aug 2026
148 posts
Posted on 9/1/26 at 5:50 pm to
Imagine calling yourself an adult male and SIMPing for a shithead like Angel Reese lol
This post was edited on 9/1/26 at 5:51 pm
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
12790 posts
Posted on 9/2/26 at 7:29 am to
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Imagine calling yourself an adult male


Can’t say I have ever done this.

Hello self, you’re an adult male.

Nope, never have.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/2/26 at 12:23 pm to
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He also took all his shots close to the basket but was still a sub-50% shooter for his career.


I absolutely love how you just causally equate his 49.1% FG% to her 42.7%. That is a significantly worse FG%. He also averaged over 20ppg, while she doesn't even hit 15ppg. Even when yall cherry pick stats, they aren't near as impressive as yall claim.

Oof
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
12790 posts
Posted on 9/2/26 at 7:09 pm to
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I absolutely love how you just causally equate his 49.1% FG% to her 42.7%. That is a significantly worse FG%. He also averaged over 20ppg, while she doesn't even hit 15ppg. Even when yall cherry pick stats, they aren't near as impressive as yall claim.


I never said they had the exact same stats. Are you dense?

As to the ppg, WNBA games are 8 minutes less than NBA games and are lower scoring. 15 ppg in the WNBA is closer to 20 in the NBA.
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS
Member since Mar 2004
73612 posts
Posted on 9/2/26 at 7:11 pm to
When is WNBA season over?

Asking for myself cause I’m not friends with WNBA fans
Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
Lift every voice and sing
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/3/26 at 8:43 am to
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Hello self, you’re an adult male.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/3/26 at 9:30 am to
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I never said they had the exact same stats. Are you dense?


This is funny because....
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As to the ppg, WNBA games are 8 minutes less than NBA games and are lower scoring. 15 ppg in the WNBA is closer to 20 in the NBA.


You immediately try to equate her stats to his
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
22028 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 11:22 am to
Look, we have all seen her miss several layup shots on a single sequence several times……………….. often getting her own rebounds. I trust my eyes and not what someone on a message board says.
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
12790 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:53 pm to
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You immediately try to equate her stats to his


16 ppg over a 40 minute game is .4 points per minute.

Over a 48 minute game, .4 points per minute is 19.2 ppg.

Simple math.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89544 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:57 pm to
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16 ppg over a 40 minute game is .4 points per minute.

Over a 48 minute game, .4 points per minute is 19.2 ppg.

Simple math.


"Guys I'm totally not trying to equate her stats to his....."

SEC Doctor
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
12790 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 3:05 pm to
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"Guys I'm totally not trying to equate her stats to his....."

SEC Doctor


Sorry you can't keep up with the basic math. You said there was no comparison between Angel's 15 ppg and 20 ppg in NBA time. They are very close when allowing for the difference in game duration.

You seem unusually triggered by this comparison. I hope you realize that comparing WNBA and NBA players is silly to begin with, but it is just an opinion.

This post was edited on 9/3/26 at 3:07 pm
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