re: Texas A&M to SEC talks heating up?

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it is STILL a state university and cannot move without the Leg's approval or them "allowing " it

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is there a reason other than pure spite by UT, to stop it? I know you have better contacts to me, but I have a hard time believe Texas would try to stop A&M if Texas just because. Seems like that would come back to bite them on arse. Its not like A&M doesn't have powerful backers.

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has more influence than A&M,,also UH, Tech, Baylor, TCU, SMU, RICE etc would be opposed.

why is it in his argument, OU cant make the move without OSU coming along because the state wont allow it
but A&M can move over the objections of very other influence in the state of Texas

again Gravy, why would Texas just LET IT happen?

please answer that

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his only rebuttal is that things have changed since May of 2010.

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is there a reason other than pure spite by UT, to stop it? I know you have better contacts to me, but I have a hard time believe Texas would try to stop A&M if Texas just because. Seems like that would come back to bite them on arse. Its not like A&M doesn't have powerful backers.

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spite has nothing to do with it

your giving the SEC a foothold in the Texas markets,, Houston is a big A&M market, as well as OU,, Dallas is a big A&M ans OU market

UT got this ESPN contract because they DOMINATE the Texas Markets,, why give away that advantage to the SEC?

this is a business

again, Im not saying there is NO WAY this can happen but gravy so far has acted as if the State Leg has ZERO say so,, and I would just like an answer to why he thinks either that ,,OR that texas wouldn't try to stop this.

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again Gravy, why would Texas just LET IT happen?

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Texas has motivations in this too, or are you forgetting about that. A&M moving on gives them their lofty goal of becoming Independent.

In a vacuum of all else being equal, it would be very hard for A&M to do, but we know there are many moving parts to this deal, and both you and I know the Leg isn't just going to upset the apple cart in CS because A&M is looking out for its own interests. They won't pull funding. Period.

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Texas has motivations in this too, or are you forgetting about that. A&M moving on gives them their lofty goal of becoming Independent.

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they already have their own network,, what advantages does going independent give them right now,,esp compared to the risks of opening up what amounts a nearly exclusive market?

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and both you and I know the Leg isn't just going to upset the apple cart in CS because A&M is looking out for its own interests. They won't pull funding. Period.

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oh,OK,so now you know what I KNOW

again,, its NOT just UT

youre asking why the LEG would stop it?

im saying why open up the marketplace to a competitor like the SEC not JUST UT,

but ,Baylor,, Tech,, TCU,, C-USA,,why would they NOT object?


NONE of them have any reason NOT to object,,

so a&m DOES or DOES not need the leg's approval to make a move?

lets say the move helps A&M
it also HELP OU,,and OSU,,and even Mizzou,, in addition to the SEC,,
why would any Texas institution public or private not object to that?

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Because 1) SEC recruit here already, its not really that big of a deal 2) They may want to go Indy or join the B1G or Pac 12 or something down the line and if they block A&M from going to the SEC, there will be payback

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at least that's an answer,, flawed,,but at least it addressed my question

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its not a zero sum game. The SEC is already broadcast in Texas, if A&M is in the SEC, CBS will pay pay more and get better ratings probably when A&M plays on CBS, in Texas, but its not like those are ratings and money that would have gone to UT instead.

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broadscasts,,yes,, does not play,,, at least ONE SEC game would be played in Houston and Dallas each year,, that is a recruiting plus the SEC does not have right now

why would UT, tech, Baylor,, TCU,,etc
just LET that happen without a fight?

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OWLFAN86

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why do you always post multiple commas? Is that your 'thing'?

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It's a business Owlvis... just like you made an argument for UT and their network the same can be made for A&M and the SEC.

And to your point about opening the state up to the SEC... you're making it a much bigger point than it is.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the degree of importance of that particular talking point.

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youre deflecting

the issue was never recruitng,,the issue was whether the legislature has a say so,

I was using recruiting as a reason Elected officials with loyaltys to other schools might have reason to object.
youve been implying the have no right to object at all for any reason.

youre acting as if this is a done deal because its what is in A&Ms best interest.

OK,, I will concede that point,it IS in A&M's best interest


However, you also act as it there are NO other factors, like UT, Baylor, Tech,SMU,UH etc who might object,,and they CAN use their influence to question A&m on this move

Im not even making the argument that it eventually couldnt happen ( even though I doubt it will) Im making the argument that its not just a matter of the Ags. OU OSU mizzou and SEC wanting it t happen,, you STILL need Legislative approval

and I see MORE people saying NO right now, than saying YES,, that doesnt mean they cant be persuaded,,but you act as if they will just rubber stamp it

and Im asking you what makes you think thats the case.

Of course persuasion is apart of this... and you hit the nail on the head with this statement

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was using recruiting as a reason Elected officials with loyaltys to other schools might have reason to object.

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They might blow the whole thing up, but at the end of the day they won't. It's not because they can't (I never said that), it's because they won't have a sound business argument for it, and at the end of the day, A&M has done a wonderful job getting their budget in line with where the state needs it. In other avenues of politics in the state, A&M is massaging the masses very well.

You and I can go back and forth on this matter on here, but if you are up for an email exchange, I have a couple of statements/thoughts/questions for you that pertain to this and other issues.

It would muddy up this thread, if I posted them here.