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re: Tebow or J-Russell: Who makes a squad?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:07 pm to dukke v
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:07 pm to dukke v
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Ok tell me what REALLY happened.................
The Broncos team dragged Tim Tebow into the playoffs.
Just in case you haven’t heard, Tim Tebow was released by the New York Jets on Monday. Tebow’s time in the Big Apple didn’t go well, but there was a time when he was the biggest on-field story in the NFL. Of course, that was the 2012 season when Tebow led the Denver Broncos to the playoffs after taking over a 1-4 team.
Tebow won seven of his first eight games as a starter and even led the Broncos to an overtime playoff win over the Pittsburgh Steelers. People who are fans of Tebow or otherwise support him like to point to that 2012 season as evidence that he can win as a starting quarterback in the NFL.
The problem with that thinking that it ignores what really happened that season.
I’ll start with the positive: Tebow did play very well in terms of throwing the ball in two games that season. In wins versus over the Minnesota Vikings and over the Steelers in the playoffs, Tebow threw for 300+ yards and looked like a professional quarterback.
The false hope there is the fact that both the Vikings and the Steelers decided to play eight men in the box and let Tebow throw deep. That’s the one and only throw he can make, and he made it repeatedly in those games. To this day, I don’t understand what in the world the Steelers were doing in that playoff game.
Other than those two games, Tebow was often terrible and it was the defense or special teams of the Broncos that kept them in games. To his credit, Tebow did make some plays at the end of games to win, but the rest of the team never got the credit they deserved. Here’s a quick review of two of those “miracle” wins.
The Broncos beat the Chicago Bears 16-13 in overtime despite being down 13-3 with three minutes to go in the game. The Broncos scored to make it 13-10, but then the Bears started to help. Marion Barber runs out of bounds when the Broncos have no timeouts. If he falls down, the clock runs out and the Bears win the game. Not to mention the fact that Barber also fumbled in overtime when the Bears were in position to kick the winning field goal. It should also be noted that the Broncos defense kept the team in the game and Matt Prater kicked two 55+ yard field goals, one to tie it and one in overtime to win it.
In a win over the Jets, once again it was the Broncos defense that kept them in the game. The defense even scored the only touchdown for the Broncos before their final drive. Tebow, again, does deserve credit for that final drive to win the game — 95 yards in a little over five minutes — but once again, the Jets defense quit doing the things they were doing all night.
They backed off, gave Tebow room to run and played soft on the receivers.
In that situation, Tebow is going to beat you. Both the Bears and the Jets played aggressively and had him completely bottled up, why did they quit playing that way?
The truth is this: Tebow did play well at the end of games, but was often terrible in the three-plus quarters leading up to those comebacks. The defense for the Broncos was often responsible for keeping the Broncos in games, allowing Tebow to do what he did at the end.
As a Broncos fan, 2012 was a magical ride at times. It was fun, but teams cannot build a winner around what Tebow brings. As for his future, I’m not sure if there is one in the NFL. He’s not willing to change positions, and he can’t play quarterback position the way it is played in 2013.
Take away everything else, and at the end of the day Tebow is just a quarterback who can’t throw.
Hell this article even gives Tebow a little to much credit saying he did things in the end of games to win them. It wasn't Tebow blocking field goals, forcing and recovering much needed fumbles and nailing game winning field goals to win these games.
I understand that Tebow was at the Helm but he didn't lead the Broncos to the Playoffs.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:13 pm to Tactical1
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The Broncos team dragged Tim Tebow into the playoffs.
WOW. Yeah I can read.... Did Russell even come close to his potential as a PRO.. NOT even close. The dude didn't give a shite and it showed. The thread is about who will get a shot 1st. Anyone that thinks JR has an edge over Tebow in this day and age is just not thinking clearly.....
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:21 pm to dukke v
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Did Russell even come close to his potential as a PRO..NOT even close
Oh I agree very much.
I have a problem believing that Russell ever really understood the X's and O's to the game at all. However I believe that Russell has the pro athleticism and Tebow did not.
I see it more likely that Russell can develop a good work ethic and a better understanding of the game, more than Tebow just all of a sudden developing better quarterback skills.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 4/29/13 at 7:55 pm to Tactical1
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However I believe that Russell has the pro athleticism and Tebow did not.
Lets look at something here....... Tebow took a team with a losing record and took them to the playoffs......
Posted on 4/29/13 at 8:02 pm to mattz1122
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I don't know but I'd take Tebow 10 times out of 10.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 8:12 pm to dukke v
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Lets look at something here....... Tebow took a team with a losing record and took them to the playoffs......
The Bronco defense took a quarterback who couldn't play, and brought him to the playoffs.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 8:18 pm to dukke v
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WOW. Yeah I can read.... Did Russell even come close to his potential as a PRO.. NOT even close.
Well that's the point. Tebow has maxed his potential and we see how shitty he is.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 8:42 pm to saintsfan22
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Tebow has maxed his potential
At least HE did that ..JR......Not so much..............
Posted on 4/29/13 at 8:51 pm to dukke v
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At least HE did that ..JR......Not so much..............
Well yeah stupid. That's why a team would be interested, to tap his potential.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 8:55 pm to saintsfan22
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Well yeah stupid. That's why a team would be interested, to tap his potential.
Well YEA STUPID.. JR is DONE as far as an NFL QB.... I guess SOME of you don't realize how BAD he was................... BOTTOm LINE. Tebow gives a shite and JR doesn't...............
Posted on 4/29/13 at 8:58 pm to dukke v
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I don't know but I'd take Russell 10 times out of 10.
Based on what???
The demonstrated ability to complete more than half his passes, for starters.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:02 pm to AgTiger55
Anyone saying Russell must forget how awful he was in the pros.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:04 pm to Sophandros
Why don't the Tebow apologists have a response to the fact that Mark Sanchez was the QB for the Jets when they made consecutive AFC Championship games, beating Manning and Brady on consecutive playoff weekends on the road?
If they believe Tebow should start because his team won one playoff game, what do they think about Sanchez?
Why can't Tebow apologists address this?
If they believe Tebow should start because his team won one playoff game, what do they think about Sanchez?
Why can't Tebow apologists address this?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:06 pm to GatorsGators
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Anyone saying Tebow must forget how awful he was in the pros.
FIFY
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:07 pm to Sophandros
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The demonstrated ability to complete more than half his passes, for starters.
REALLY????????????????? JR is a train wreck.. Tebow....NOT SO MUCH......... THINK ABOUT IT........................[AS A GM]
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:08 pm to dukke v
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REALLY????????????????? JR is a train wreck.. Tebow....NOT SO MUCH......... THINK ABOUT IT........................[AS A GM]
Well, once you put it that way
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:09 pm to Sophandros
Russell was worse in 2009 than Tebow was, well, ever.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:09 pm to dukke v
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REALLY????????????????? JR is a train wreck.. Tebow....NOT SO MUCH......... THINK ABOUT IT........................[AS A GM]
If forced to pick between the two people trying to redeem themselves, I'll take the guy who has shown the ability to hit the blindside of a barn.
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:12 pm to GatorsGators
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Russell was worse in 2009 than Tebow was, well, eve
And his best pro years were better than Tebow was ever.
Face the facts: Tebow is a terrible NFL QB.
And why won't your ilk address the success that Sanchez has had in the playoffs when discussing your one "win" by Tebow?
Is it because you are all intellectually bankrupt?
Posted on 4/29/13 at 9:13 pm to AgTiger55
They both probably wont get a shot.
But honestly. I would take a chance on Tebow if I were the Falcons (if he didnt have all the distractions) could be a nice Goaline Wildcat QB. Think Blake Bell at OU last year.
I'd like to see JaMarcus on the Saints. Learn behind Brees and hopefully some of Brees "work ethic/leadership" rub off on JR.
Put Drew's heart/mind in JaMarcus...
But honestly. I would take a chance on Tebow if I were the Falcons (if he didnt have all the distractions) could be a nice Goaline Wildcat QB. Think Blake Bell at OU last year.
I'd like to see JaMarcus on the Saints. Learn behind Brees and hopefully some of Brees "work ethic/leadership" rub off on JR.
Put Drew's heart/mind in JaMarcus...
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