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Posted on 4/21/12 at 8:14 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Can you read?
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Also basketball drawing up plays is laughable. They are running plays they have run hundreds of times in practice.
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Yes, as a matter of fact reading comprehension is a strong point of mine. Always has been. I actually aced the reading comprehension portion when I took the LSAT. 26/26. No bullshite. The dynamite went Boom!
Are you just partially retarded? Or are you a full ruh-tard?
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Of course they are. But they have practiced a hundred plays or variations on plays in practice, and the coach has to come up with a play that fits the situation, and gives the team the best chance of winning the game. There is more strategy in that alone than anything a baseball manager does during a game.
Also, for what reason did you bold installing offensive systems, installing defensive systems, and making halftime adjustments? Oh that's right...it's because you read the thread title and thought it referred only to things the coach does during the game. Which, given the thread title, raises an interesting question:
Can you read?
Posted on 4/21/12 at 8:23 am to SprintFun
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Soccer is easily the answer.
Baseball managers at least can make decisions on when to pull pitchers, who to bring in, when to steal, etc.
I agree.
Baseball is a different sport than the other "major sports". Even if coaches change the outcome in 5% of the games, that's about a 8 game swing. Look and see how MLB teams were within 8 games of playoffs. Usually the good managers win those games.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:14 am to bobbyray21
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Yes, as a matter of fact reading comprehension is a strong point of mine. Always has been. I actually aced the reading comprehension portion when I took the LSAT. 26/26. No bullshite. The dynamite went Boom!
Are you just partially retarded? Or are you a full ruh-tard?
Why were you talking about installing offenses and half time adjustments when my post(which you quoted) very clearly read during the game? I anxiously await your answer Reading Czar.
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Of course they are. But they have practiced a hundred plays or variations on plays in practice, and the coach has to come up with a play that fits the situation, and gives the team the best chance of winning the game. There is more strategy in that alone than anything a baseball manager does during a game.
Ok you mean like a manager who besides whether or not to sac bunt, saftey bunt, steal 2nd etc etc. Its picking a play no different than basketball
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:27 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Why were you talking about installing offenses and half time adjustments when my post(which you quoted) very clearly read during the game? I anxiously await your answer Reading Czar.
You can write "during the game" all you want. That doesn't make it the question that was asked. And forgive the Reading Czar if he is not inclined to edit out your misinterpretations from quoted excerpts.
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Ok you mean like a manager who besides whether or not to sac bunt, saftey bunt, steal 2nd etc etc. Its picking a play no different than basketball
These are real brain busters. Hopefully our Orangutan has been properly trained.
Bottom line:
Are you actually arguing that a baseball manager contributes more to his team's success than does a basketball coach?
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:47 am to bobbyray21
I'd say baseball. It's almost like playing blackjack. I mean you do call things like bunts, steal, and things like that but those things are so basic. Football is just so structured. Very little freedom so coaching comes into play at all times. Basketball offenses are actually more complex than football offenses and basketball defense is much more complicated than most things. For example most people just thing man to man is soooo easy to teach and learn. It's quite the opposite. It's by far the hardest defense to teach and learn.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:49 am to bobbyray21
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You can write "during the game" all you want. That doesn't make it the question that was asked. And forgive the Reading Czar if he is not inclined to edit out your misinterpretations from quoted excerpts.
So why did you reply to my post?
Posted on 4/21/12 at 11:04 am to VerlanderBEAST
Well since the title is "team" and not "major" I would go with collegiate team bowling. I saw the women's championships on TV not long ago. not a lot for the coach to do other than say "Roll it like you do when you get a strike" or "Hit that/those pin(s) for that spare".
Posted on 4/21/12 at 11:08 am to Them
Played hockey competitively for almost 10 years. Played all over the US and Canada. With that said, it's true hockey to the untrained eye looks free flowing and disorganized. But its not. There is forechecking. Set up plays in the corners. Neutral Zone traps. Breaking out of the defensive zone. Even coming out of the penalty box and off the bench there are set plays. Plus getting the right line and player combination is imperative for penalties, power plays, and 4-on-4's.
There is more going on than you think.
There is more going on than you think.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 11:50 am to Them
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Team sport where the head coach does the least
Baseball, by far!
Posted on 4/21/12 at 12:03 pm to Them
I would have said baseball easily, but with the how ridiculous the defensive shifts have become managers are doing a lot more. Started out just against LH power hitters and now it has spread to most LH hitters and even some RH hitters. Then again that's mostly advanced scouting and the managers are just going by what a piece of paper tells them.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 12:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
pro basketball, with old all stars.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 5:11 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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So why did you reply to my post?
Because what you wrote -- even taking into account your stated assumption -- was abject nonsense.
A basketball coach does way more during the game than a baseball manager. It's not even a close call.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 5:23 pm to Them
Baseball
Posted on 4/21/12 at 6:07 pm to dukke v
Let me put an end to this for you.
A few days ago I saw women's collegiate bowling on TV.
Teams, 5 members a side. Two schools against each other.
What does that coach do? Remind them to knock down any pins that might be standing?
A few days ago I saw women's collegiate bowling on TV.
Teams, 5 members a side. Two schools against each other.
What does that coach do? Remind them to knock down any pins that might be standing?
Posted on 4/21/12 at 6:29 pm to bobbyray21
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A basketball coach does way more during the game than a baseball manager. It's not even a close call.
Yeah because basketball coaches draw up plays in the sand like; Hey Steve Nash run the pick & roll, Hey this time force Ginobili to the right, Hey we are down by 3 so don't go under the screen.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 6:32 pm to SprintFun
Soccer/Basketball/Hockey are all the same. It's a bunch of guys moving around a field of play trying to get an object in a goal.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 6:39 pm to steelreign
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Soccer/Basketball/Hockey are all the same. It's a bunch of guys moving around a field of play trying to get an object in a goal.
All with remarkably different strategies. I'm not sure your reduction is actually a productive description.
If we are talking about in game changes the preparation for soccer matches is as in depth as any sport. Watch hours of film, drill team shape, who to track, passing patterns, marking responsibilities, set pieces etc. There are a lot of in game changes that can be made, in terms of formations and styles of play that can win and lose matches. I'd say that's pretty important.
This post was edited on 4/21/12 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 4/22/12 at 12:41 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Yeah because basketball coaches draw up plays in the sand like; Hey Steve Nash run the pick & roll, Hey this time force Ginobili to the right, Hey we are down by 3 so don't go under the screen.
Actually the in game adjustments are super important. Maybe not a regular season NBA game but playoffs in NBA, NCAA, and high school ball adjustments go a long way. Something as simple as doubling on the catch instead of the dribble changes so much. Also, in high school especially coaches draw up plays all the time in the huddle. Is it a brand new play?? No, but it is usually a wrinkle off an already known play like changing the angle on a screen or flaring off a double pick instead of curling. I often get my guys to run the same play over and over and out of a timeout give the same look with a small wrinkle to get an easy bucket. My point is basketball coaches do WAY more than baseball managers and just as much as football coaches if not more.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:42 am to dukke v
Baseball and Basketball
Since both are reactive sports for most part, coaches and do a shift of field, call pitches, make in game adjustments, draw up offensive/defensive alignments, etc but the flow of game can ruin even best laid plans.
Since both are reactive sports for most part, coaches and do a shift of field, call pitches, make in game adjustments, draw up offensive/defensive alignments, etc but the flow of game can ruin even best laid plans.
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