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re: TCU turns down Wisconsis rematch
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:00 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:00 pm to Lester Earl
quote:They recruit better than Wisconsin.
elite programs are defined by the talent they attract. not beating up on shitty conference teams and 2nd tier teams in BCS games.
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Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:14 pm to GamecockAlum
The # of BCS teams beaten is YOUR standard and not one shared by the vast majority of people, so to say USCe beat more is not relevant to anyone but you. Beating Vandy, Duke, Minnesota, kansas, Rutgers, Washington St, Ole Miss and cincinnati would 1 more bcs win than USCe had . TCU's only loses the last 3 years are to a team that lost NCG and 2 un beaten teams, 08, OU, Utah (beat the shite out of Bama) and 09 Boise. You don't win that many games over 3 years just by playing a "weak" schedule.
BTW, Since Nick Saban has just as many loses to Non AQ Teams since he's been at bama, as TCU does the last 3 years
BTW, Since Nick Saban has just as many loses to Non AQ Teams since he's been at bama, as TCU does the last 3 years
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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No matter what they do, youj will not give them credit.
Not true. If they come in and start putting up 10 or more wins a year in the Big East I'll give credit where credit is due.
My beef with TCU isn't even really with the program itself. I have no feelings for them either way. It's the people who champion their cause and try to pass them off as some elite program. They are not. They are a good program and yes they put a good whooping on their competition, but let's be honest, they are beating up on the 6th best conference at the very best and that's assuming they are better than the Big East (I don't think the MWC is better than the Big East, but some do for whatever reason). Beating down on that level of competition isn't that impressive. That makes them above average. West Virginia has been more or less the best program in the Big East the last 4-5 seasons, but you won't find many people who consider them elite either. Why? They aren't exactly beating the brakes off of great competition.
I don't hate or dislikes TCU's program. I can respect them as a solid program. I do not however respect or even understand where their crusaders get off saying that they are "elite" or among the big boys.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:41 pm to GamecockAlum
quote:Or it could be the fact West Virginia hasn't had an season under 4 losses in 3 years.
West Virginia has been more or less the best program in the Big East the last 4-5 seasons, but you won't find many people who consider them elite either. Why? They aren't exactly beating the brakes off of great competition.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:48 pm to GamecockAlum
quote:This is a guy who thinks that South Carolina has a better football program than TCU, and he thinks we should listen to his opinions.
GamecockAlum
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:55 pm to GamecockAlum
Anyone else get the feeling Gamecock Alum's fiance left him for a TCU grad?
He has such a long and twisted history of making totally unsubstaniated claims about TCU it has grown comical.
As far as the OP, I cant agree more with troubl's expalantions. If TCU chose to back out of a previously scheduled home and away they would be no better than the teams TCU and its fans have chastised for doing the same thing. The match up with Baylor will be the last game with what is considered a historic opponent. If TCU is so scared to schedule powerhous opponents then someone please tell me why they have OK, LSU home and away, and Ark home and away scheduled over the first 5 years in the big east? Or how about why Wisc is too scared to schedule a home and away despite two SEC schools doing so?
He has such a long and twisted history of making totally unsubstaniated claims about TCU it has grown comical.
As far as the OP, I cant agree more with troubl's expalantions. If TCU chose to back out of a previously scheduled home and away they would be no better than the teams TCU and its fans have chastised for doing the same thing. The match up with Baylor will be the last game with what is considered a historic opponent. If TCU is so scared to schedule powerhous opponents then someone please tell me why they have OK, LSU home and away, and Ark home and away scheduled over the first 5 years in the big east? Or how about why Wisc is too scared to schedule a home and away despite two SEC schools doing so?
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:57 pm to xiv
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This is a guy who thinks that South Carolina has a better football program than TCU, and he thinks we should listen to his opinions.
And we don't?
TCU > Georgia, right? TCU> Arkansas right? TCU is definitely better than 105 other programs right? No question about it right?
You people are so stupid that's become entertaining.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:58 pm to Bleeding purple
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He has such a long and twisted history of making totally unsubstaniated claims about TCU it has grown comical.
You are the one who thinks you have an elite program when no one with a lick of sense would ever even entertain that thought.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:59 pm to Bleeding purple
Until TCU can win 2 out of 19 games vs. Florida, it all means nothing.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:02 pm to GamecockAlum
Until TCU can win 2 out of 4 games vs. Vanderbilt, they won't be elite.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:06 pm to xiv
quote:
They recruit better than Wisconsin.
not an elite program
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:06 pm to GamecockAlum
Define elite? I'mnot saying they are an elite program what ever that means. I'm saying they are a good team, that was worthy of being in a BCS bowl last year that has proven they can compete with and beat top BCS teams. Clearly they have a good program that will probably continue to do well and finished ranked at least in the top 10-20 the next few years.
This post was edited on 2/10/11 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:To Lester Earl, "elite" is an adjective that is used to describe any programs rated above TCU and Boise State.
Define elite?
For example, if TCU is #3 and Boise State is #7, then only the top two are elite.
If TCU and Boise State are #1 and #2, his head will explode.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
I'm saying they are a good team
And I don't disagree.
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that was worthy of being in a BCS bowl last year
They didn't prove they deserved to be there until they got there. Even then, there were two programs I thought deserved it more than them.
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compete with and beat top BCS teams.
They do so on a diluted basis. Can they do it consistently on a week in and week out basis?
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Clearly they have a good program that will probably continue to do well and finished ranked at least in the top 10-20 the next few years
If they can continue to put up 10 win plus seasons in the Big East then a lot of the questions about their program will subside. Until then, they are not elite. If you want me to breakdown how I personally define elite programs from great/good/solid programs, I will.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:19 pm to xiv
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To Lester Earl, "elite" is an adjective that is used to describe any programs rated above TCU and Boise State.
I like how you put words in my mouth.
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If TCU and Boise State are #1 and #2, his head will explode.
No it wouldn't. Not if they played legit teams and beat them consistently week to week.
No time in recent history do I think at the end of the year they have deserved to be 1 or 2.
You cant beat 1 or 2 good teams in 7-8 years and lay claim that you should join the elite company in college football. That's crazy.
It's clear recruits think the same way, or they would be lining up to go to TCU and Boise. That right there tells me they do not have staying power. They would continually have to hit on good QB's to even think about sustaining the level they are at, and even the best teams in the nation cannot do that.
This post was edited on 2/10/11 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:23 pm to xiv
TCU is an great program that is only going up. Whether or not they are elite is a matter of symantics. Some claim LSU is not an elite program. As far as recruiting like an elite program, they recruited better than over 50% of BCS conference schools despite still being in a non-AQ conference.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:23 pm to Lester Earl
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You cant beat 1 or 2 good teams in 7-8 years and lay claim that you should join the elite company in college football. That's crazy.
Boise State was 9 wins in their program's history against BCS teams. To put that in perspective, Auburn had 9 wins THIS season against SEC teams.
Crown'em.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:25 pm to Lester Earl
quote:I didn't put words in your mouth. I said that, not you. I don't want to give you credit for my wads of brilliance.
quote:
To Lester Earl, "elite" is an adjective that is used to describe any programs rated above TCU and Boise State.
I like how you put words in my mouth.
quote:I know for a fact that they can beat legit teams in BCS bowls and you still won't give them credit for being as good as they are.
No it wouldn't. Not if they played legit teams and beat them consistently week to week.
quote:Me neither.
No time in recent history do I think at the end of the year they have deserved to be 1 or 2.
quote:TCU recruits better than anyone in the Big Ten.
It's clear recruits think the same way, or they would be lining up to go to TCU and Boise.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:26 pm to GamecockAlum
Until TCU proves on the field that they can win two games out of seven vs. Ole Miss, they won't be elite.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 9:30 pm to westcoastf00l
They played Oklahoma and are the last team to win in Norman still i think.
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