re: TCU turns down Wisconsis rematch

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was more talented or just plain better than all but one SEC school is a fricking retard.

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There is absolutely no way you could argue that Kentucky, Ole Miss, Uga or Tenn and maybe Florida were better than TCU in 2010 at a bear minimum that is 5 teams in the SEC TCU was clearly better than. They could beat any of the others. I doubt they would beat Auburn or Bama and maybe LSU. They would be favored over everyone else no doubt and Vegas does not build dancing fountains in the middle of the dessert because they are fricking retards.


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Beating up on the MWC is nowhere near the grind that SEC goes through. At least 7 or 8 SEC schools could have go 12-0 vs. their schedule.

If you really believe that TCU is more talented than South Carolina then you are just plain ignorant. Sure Kentucky beat us, but those things happen in the SEC. Kentucky was better than every single MWC team on TCU's schedule with the exception of Utah. Hell at worst, Kentucky would have been the 3rd toughest opponent on TCU's schedule. Out top 3 opponents were Auburn, Arkansas, and Alabama. There's no comparison.

Sure throwing up a shitload of points against Wyoming, UNLV, and New Mexico may look impressive, but when you look beyond the numbers and take into account the fact that there may be one NFL player combined on those 3 teams in addition to the fact that they were playing their starters well into the 4th in those games, then is it really that impressive? We beat the piss out of Troy 69-24 and were up 59-7 at the half. Our number 2s played the entire second half. Troy went to a bowl this season (won it). They were at best the 9th best opponent on our schedule (I'll give them being better than Furman and Southern Miss, and even Vanderbilt). They would have been the 4th or 5th best team on TCU's schedule depending on if you think they were better than BYU.

Sure TCU can win the one or two games against midlevel BCS teams they play each year and OCCASIONALLY beat a top level BCS team every few years. Actually, people are looking at that win vs. Oklahoma in a vacuum. Oklahoma was 8-4 that year with losses by 17 at UCLA, 2 at Texas Tech, and by 33 vs. Texas.

In fact, before their win over Wisconsin, they have not defeated a single win over a 10 win BCS team since at last before 1995 (that's as far as I looked back).

But hey, if you beat UNLV and Wyoming, you are definitely a big dog.

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no one has claimed it is.

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Every time you are claiming that TCU is elite, then you are asserting as much. Elite teams face and defeat great-elite teams on the regular and beat them; TCU does neither.

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BS, 3 or 4 tops, if you can lose to UK, then you can lose to Baylor

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Arkansas, Alabama, LSU, Auburn and South Carolina all would have definitely run the table through their schedule. Mississippi State, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee could have as well. Those 4 lost to a combined 3 OCC opponents in the regular season. 1 of those teams was in the BCSNCG, 1 finished the year in the top 20, and the other was average at best (it was a road game). The rest of their losses were in conference.

Let's look at the OCC's of TCU's conference opponents:

Utah: Defeated the 3rd best team in the Big East at home. Put a whooping on the 9th best Big 12 team. However, they lost by 25 to a Notre Dame team that was defeated at home in consecutive weeks by Navy and Tulsa.

Air Force: They lost their only game vs. a BCS opponent. They did manage to eat Navy by 8 at home.

San Diego State: Lost to the only BCS team that they played.

BYU: Defeated the 4th best Pac-10 team (overall record they were 5th). Lost to Florida State.

The rest of the conference teams finished 3-9, 3-9, 1-11, and 2-11.

So out of the 4 other bowl teams in the MWC, they went 3-4 vs. BCS teams. They were getting their wins against the bottom barrel of the MWC, WAC, and 1-AA teams.

That is the type of competition that they were defeating. That's shitty at best competition if you really think that conquering that kind of talent is impressive then you are a fool.

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no one said that either, the fact you keep making up arguments shows you have no understanding of what anyone is saying in here.

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Then where are fools like 14 and TT's alter getting off by saying they are elite? They have a grand total of one victory over a 10 win BCS team in the last 15 season. They have 1 or 2 against 8 win BCS teams. They have no resume whatsoever against the truly elite, great, or even good programs in the nation. At the very best, you could say that they are the best non-BCS program of the past decade. Even then, their primary competition for that title consists of Boise State - a program that is 9-18 in their entire history against BCS programs - and Utah (99-154 all time vs. BCS teams; 7-3 vs. BCS teams in the last 5 seasons).

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This is further proof that you look only at names and not how teams play.

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You keep saying this yet have absolutely no proof. The SEC teams can change their names to Disney characters, but it won't change the fact that our conference is far superior to the MWC; Same goes for the Big 12, Big Ten, Pac 10, and even ACC.

You are the one who is looking at wins and losses in a vacuum rather than taking the quality of teams into play. Is 12-0 in the MWC really the same as 12-0 in the SEC? 11-1? 10-2? 9-3? You are basically saying a win vs. 7-6 BYU is the same quality of victory/level of accomplishment as a win over a 7-6 Kentucky. It's foolish and naive at best.

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Same with TCU, you are hung up on names on the schedule. I'm looking at what the team did.

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And what exactly is impressive about what they did? Okay they beat Wisconsin at a neutral site by 2. Good for them. What exactly did they do to earn the right to play there? Beat Utah? Air Force? Oregon State? Baylor? These aren't great teams I'm naming here.

Straight up: Do you believe that TCU beating a 7-6 BYU (5th in their conference) is the same level of competition/quality of win as Auburn defeating a 7-6 Kentucky that finished 5th in their DIVISION? If you answer nothing else, then at least answer this.


14, you can keep saying that the Press and computers agree with you and it won't matter because it does not change the fact that TCU played a shitty schedule. They proved nothing. Then again you are the same guy who thinks Boise State is elite as well, so logic knows no place in your mind.

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Why do all the polls and computers agree with me and disagree with you?

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i dont think they do. otherwise they would put undefeated TCU in over a 1 loss team, dont you think?


they are voted high as a respect thing for winning double digit games. It's a consolation prize for never voting them in to play in a national championship game.



And Lee or Les or whatever you name is. VA tech is not a nationally elite program. If they were they would run the ACC every year and play in the national title game. They have done that since Michael Vick left some 10 years ago.

playing in a BCS bowl doesnt make you elite. The ACC and Big East are putting some craptastic teams into BCS bowl games yearly.


Seriously, since xiv wont answer, how can TCU be called elite when put up against teams like LSU, Texas, USC, Bama, Florida, etc?

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Every time you are claiming that TCU is elite,

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are you ever going to show where I said TCU was elite (other than sarcastically on the SEC rant)

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South Carolina all would have definitely run the table through their schedule

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BS, if you can lose to Kentucky you can lose to Baylor, Air Force or Utah, the only team the definately would have gone undefeated on TCU's schedule is Auburn who went undefeated playing a much harder schedule. LSU played Tennessee the same week TCU played Baylor. The way Baylor was playing at the time, we probably would have lost them.

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Tennessee

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That is laughably stupid, Tenn was terrible, especially early in the year, they were getting smoked by good teams, they only beat UAB at home by 3, UAB was bad 4-8 in CUSA . Oregon State, Baylor, Air Force, San Diego State and Utah all would probably have beaten UT. There is no fricking way they beat all those teams, great chance that they lose to all.

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That's shitty at best competition if you really think that conquering that kind of talent is impressive then you are a fool

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TCU's SOS was ranking in the 60's to 80's in most computer and SOS rankings. Unbiased rankings that look at how teams perform that is not biased based on conference affiliation.

You ae making value judgements not based on facts, but on your own personal feelings. If it was so easy to go undefeated playing a schedule like TCU, then why don't more teams do it?

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You keep saying this yet have absolutely no proof

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Have you read your own posts? It doesn't matter what the actual names are you are hung up the schedule and not how they did against it.

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And what exactly is impressive about what they did

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They went 13-0 with an avg score of 41.6 to 12.0, playing an avg to below avg schedule. Very few teams do that, that is why its impressive.

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You are the one who is looking at wins and losses in a vacuum rather than taking the quality of teams into play

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No I'm not, I look at the total season.

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Is 12-0 in the MWC really the same as 12-0 in the SEC?

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Nope, not only have I not said it was, I said it wasn't, that's why Auburn deserved to play for the NC and TCU did not.

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You are basically saying a win vs. 7-6 BYU is the same quality of victory/level of accomplishment as a win over a 7-6 Kentucky.

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The basic SOS formula takes into account the record of your opponents and the records of your opponents/opponents. In the CBSsports.com rankings UK has a SOS of 80, BYU 61. The only reason you think UK is better is because of the name of their conference. The numbers do no lie and are not biased like we are and based on that ranking, BYU was a tougher opponent than Kentucky I don't know how the CBS SOS is calculated and one ranking is not a good sample. There's nothing special about UK's schedule.

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because it does not change the fact that TCU played a shitty schedule. They proved nothing.

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your opinion is not a fact, the computers rank TCU's schedule from avg to slightly below, they didn't prove anything to you, so clearly you are right and everyone else is wrong

Still waiting on you to answer my question. Until then, don't bother responding to my posts because you are question dodging.

BTW, the "everyone else" you are referring to is 5 people in here and even then there are people agreeing with me. There is a reason why most people are not posting in here: They aren't stupid enough to believe TCU is elite. If they were, they would have no problem going to Wisconsin and beating them. Hell it'd do more for them than beating Baylor at home, no?

Don't care if TCU is elite or not.

But reading back through this thread with a clear head right now, and there is no fricking way that South Carolina would beat TCU 9 out of 10 times.

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what questions about BYU and Kentucky. Yes, I did answer it above.

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No you didn't. Do you think that beating BYU is the same level of accomplishment/quality of win as defeating Kentucky?

Yes or no. Not hard to answer.

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I agree that the difference between the MWC and Big East isn't that big, but the Big Ten is definitely a step above the MWC schedule.

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What do you have to prove this?

I have this....average SoS by conference:
22.2 PAC10
23.8 SEC
26.8 Big 12
38.3 ACC
57.3 MWC
58.5 Big 10
65.4 Big East
74.7 WAC
86.4 CUSA
105.6 MAC
109.8 Sun Belt

This includes conference play and OOC games. The only reason the SEC is below the PAC10 is because the SEC plays 8 conference games while the PAC10 plays 9. The SEC has 9 of the top 30 schedules in the nation. Only Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Tennessee are outside the top 30....but Tenn does have the #31 schedule.

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Ohio State's only loss was against Wisconsin. They also defeated the ACC's 5th team (they were the second most talented team, but that's another discussion).

Michigan State's only loss was to Iowa. They also defeated Notre Dame (the MWC's second team was smoked by them).

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Take a look at these 2 statements. You tout Miami as the 5th best team (and 2nd most talented in the ACC as a legit win for Ohio State, and point out that that the 2nd place MWC was smoked by Notre Dame. Did you not see that Miami was also smoked by Notre Dame?

Let's take a look at the OOC games of the top 3 Big 10 teams you listed:

Ohio State - Marshall (5-7), Miami (7-6 and lost to Notre Dame), Ohio (8-5), Eastern Michigan (2-10)
Wisconsin - UNLV (2-11), San Jose St (1-12), Arizona State (6-6), Austin Peay (2-9 and FCS)
Michigan State - W. Michigan (6-6), Florida Atlantic (4-8), Notre Dame (8-5), N. Colorado (3-8 and FCS)

Only 3 of 12 of those teams have winning records AND 2 of those teams are FCS schools.

I'm not arguing that the MWC schedule is stacked, just that the Big 10 schedule is not nearly as impressive as you think it is.

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In an earlier post I showed you where the MWC's 2-5 teams went 3-4 against BCS opponents. The Big Ten's top 4 went 4-1 against BCS opponents OCC.

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Not a fair comparison. There are only 9 teams in the MWC and 11 in the Big 10. If you want to compare the top 4 teams in the Big 10, then you need to only look at the top 3 in the MWC.

MWC top 3 went 6-1 against BCS teams this season (4-1 if you remove bowl games).