re: TCU turns down Wisconsis rematch

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You think South Carolina could take Wisconsin 9 out of 10 times?

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Nope.

You think TCU could?

Nope. They'd win the majority of the time though.

And Gary Patterson is a better coach than Steve Spurrier.

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lol mmkay.

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Did you watch that game? Wisconsin was extremely outcoached and did not look like the better team. If Bielema and Wisconsin would have just run the ball, they should have definitely won that game. But they were so out-coached it was a joke.

ETA: TCU was also a 3 point favorite. So technically, Wisconsin winning would have been an upset.

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Wow.

Please tell me you are not serious. You are comparing a guy who built his rep via defeating New Mexico and San Jose State to the man who took a dormant program to levels of success in a decade that this conference has never seen before (Florida) and took another program that no one gave a shite about, no one respected and turned into a consistent winner all while racking up the second most wins in SEC history?

You are fricking insane guy.

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On the field coach, not talking about recruiting or anything else, give me Patterson. He's an NFL-caliber coach. Not many people regard Spurrier as a top 5 coach anymore.

Spurrier hasn't done shite at South Carolina compared to what the expectations were. The one year they manage to win the East just so happened to occur the same year Florida and Georgia have their biggest down years in 10+ years.

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You don't know shite about our fanbase bruh.

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If they are all like you, can I assume they're all huge homers?

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If they are all like you, can I assume they're all huge homers?

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It's not homeristic to say your team is better than another team when they are. Our team is flat out more talented than TCU's. Outside of quarterback, there is no position where it is even close.

If you really want me to explain to you the divide in our fanbase I will, but I'm on the good side that actually wants to see our program succeed and use this year as a step in the right direction rather than a culmination.

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Saying South Carolina would beat TCU 9 out of 10 times (5 home, 5 away) is beyond homeristic.

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Well what's your take on the subject?

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I'll listen to the divide if you want to take the time to explain it.

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I'm sure I'll have to elaborate further at some point, but I'll break it down in rather simple terms.

Group 1: These are generally older fans or people who have had tickets in their family for years. These people typically inhabit Cockytalk (about 85-90% of their posters fit this bill). These types care more about their tickets than they do for wins and losses. As long as they get the seats they've had since the dawn of time, they don't care as much about winning. Over the last few years, our ticket prices have gone up so we can pay for shiny new facilities. These bastards don't seem to like that. They seem to think that winning comes out of the blue and then your facilities magically morph into awesomeness. These fans also typically blow sunshine out of their arse. We lose a close game? Aw shucks we gave it our all. We get raped in the SECCG, WELL WE GOT THERE!!!11!1!! We lose big? Well that comes with being a gamecock and if you don't like it you aren't a real gamecock (because we all know real fans love nothing more than losing). These types also don't like if you even hint at criticizing a player or coach (especially on CT). These people believe that Spurrier is a Football God; I have no idea why. Yes he is a great coach, but frick me sideways, I'm going to question his arse until he takes us to a BCS title. If you don't put the heat on the coach to win and are satisfied with just above average win totals, then you'll never become elite. These fans don't seem to understand that just because you criticize a player or coach doesn't mean that you hate the program. On the contrary, it's done because you want them to get better. I want my program to get better. I could give a shite less if that means I get priced out from ever seeing a game at Williams-Brice. I'm part of the alumni. I'll root for us period.

Group 2: Basically we are the fans who want to do whatever it is necessary to build a good clean winning program, not just in football, but for the entire AD. If it means higher ticket prices and.or worse seats then so be it. We are tired of being pushed around. We want to win and win big. We could careless about the coaches or players or what they've done before they got here or what they do when they leave, we want to know what they are going to do for our school. We are loyal to the program, the names on the back of the jerseys or on the coaches' desks are irrelevant. We want one thing: Consistent winners across the board.

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We would have pillaged their asses in football. Who would tackle Lattimore? Whose going to cover Alshon? We have more speed than they do and significantly more size.

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South Carolina fans are the only ones who think they would beat TCU on a neutral field.

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If you are going to compare their amount of raw talent then compare it to a team they actually match up well against... like Kentucky, Ole Miss, or Vanderbilt.

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You compare TCU to these teams, yet South Carolina lost to Kentucky. How does South Carolina matchup? Also, Ole Miss finished ranked higher in recruiting rankings than South Carolina the past 2 years.

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Elite enough that the same voters wont put them, as an undefeated team in the national championship game? How many top 10 finishes does Boise St have? A lot. They have nothing to show for it. Wins against weak opponents breeds undefeated seasons, which turns in nice finishes. Its too bad they have no hardware because the same people that "agree" with you wont even give them a chance to play for it all.

is that really the criteria now for an elite program? 3 good years? No national titles? Recruiting classes in the 30's? sweet!! That is what all teams strive for right there

If that is elite, what is Florida? Or Alabama? Or LSU? or USC? Ohio St??? Is their another echelon above elite? Because those teams sure wouldnt want to be lumped with TCU

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Answer my question first and then I'll start chipping away at your 30 questions.

Why do all the polls and computers agree with me and disagree with you?

Are xiv, AP, Coaches, Harris, Billingsley, Sagarin, Wolfe, Anderson & Hester, Colley, and Massey all wrong?

According to his criteria listed an elite (which I dont give a "hobos arse hair" about) team is a top 12 team.

TCU has been there 4 times in the last 6 years.

TCU football holds 1 concensus national title and another NC prior to that.

Yet he has called Wisconsin elite in this thread and they have only been in the top 12 2 times in the last 6 years. They have 0 football NC



He continues to make idiotic statements like other than QB TCU has no atheletes at any position that are better than USCe. And asks who else regards Gary Patterson is one of the top college coaches sarcastically as if it was a win. Yet a miniscule amount of research would indicacte otherwise.

he continues to make unprovable statements like the "we would pillage them in football". Yet USCe was only one of 2 conference wins for Ky the other being 2-10 Vandy. Ky other wins came from 1 big east, 1 sunbelt, 1 Mac , and one Div II team.

I know, I know. KY had to face the gauntlet of a BCS schedule. All of their losses came to BCS schools.

Similarly all 5 of Iowa's loses came to BCS schools so those are defensable. Yet only one of SDSU's loses and only one of AF loses were to BCS schools. Clearly that means Iowa is a better team. How many teams did eaach school lose to that were ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season? What was the margin of win in those games.

If it makes him feel better to say he got arse raped by a guy with a BIG COCK SWINGER (BCS)label that is his perogative. I prefer to judge the qualitiy of wins and losses by how the opponent has faired so far that year and the degree of domninance displayed in the actual game.