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Star Tribune article on how analytics is ruining MLB

Posted on 7/14/18 at 11:46 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 11:46 pm
First of a three part series LINK
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
13531 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 12:17 am to
If analytics is causing the defensive shifts and less balls in play, why are pitchers leaving routinely in the 5th with a 100 pitch count? It's pretty rare to see a starter go 7 or 8 innings now.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28120 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 12:32 am to
That is arguably a function of 3 true outcome strategy though.
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
13531 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 12:47 am to
I've heard the bit about the third time through the order favors the batter (hence why TB was using the 'opener' strategy), but it still doesn't explain why the pitch count is up to 90 by the the time they get through the 2nd go round. Ace pitchers from the 70s through 90s must be laughing at them.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 12:48 am
Posted by mgdtiger
Member since May 2006
2841 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:13 am to
I think pitchers are using more breaking balls and trying to live on the edge more. Means more balls.
Posted by upstate
Member since Nov 2015
620 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:27 am to
Clubs are valuing strikeouts from pitchers more because analytics say that batting average on balls in play equal for pitchers, so in theory more strikeouts leads to less balls in play lead to less hits. They push their minor leaguers to work for velo and strikeouts, and promote the guys that throw hard and punch guys out with the hopes that when they learn to pitch they will be more effective than the guys that give up more contact.
When you strike guys out, you tend to go deeper into counts and throw more pitches. The difference today is by and large guys are throwing much harder, and they are on pitch counts. You don't see anyone trotting Greg Mcmichaels throwing 88 out of their bullpens anymore
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34671 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:02 am to
And on the offensive side, batter are told that strikeouts don't matter, so guys are swinging from the arse. There aren't many guys who truly know how to handle the bat.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10667 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:02 am to
Baseball needs to call the high strike. Make the strike zone from the bottom of the knees to the bottom of the shoulders. It will force swings and put more balls into play and the launch angle is impacted by the higher strike. Making contact and putting the ball into play will matter more.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted by ChargerDog91
Member since May 2012
4394 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:20 am to
quote:

and the launch angle is impacted by the higher strike.






You've been listening to Harold Reynolds talk too much. That's not how Launch Angle works. Every single batted ball has some sort of launch angle. Doesn't matter if it's a GB, LD, or FB. GB's have anywhere from a negative launch angle to 4 or 5 degrees. Line Drives tend to be from 7 to 20 degrees depending on the level of play. Fly Balls are anywhere above that.

This chart shows what I just said for the most part.

Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:29 am to
This will be a thread
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60153 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:33 am to
More strikeouts = more pitches
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34671 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

Baseball needs to call the high strike. Make the strike zone from the bottom of the news to the bottom of the shoulders


Been saying this for years.
Posted by rebel of fortune
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3534 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:01 pm to
Has a lot to do with OBP being valued more than batting average. Hitters aren’t afraid of working the counts today because if they walk a lot people will take the strikeouts with it. I think people who don’t spend time to understand analytics are the ones who think it says strikeouts don’t matter. Analytics just shows that a hitter needs to be good at 2 of 3 skills in hitting. The exact same can be said for pitchers.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
7318 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:47 pm to
I’m starting to like the idea of restricting shifts, requiring 2 infielders on each side of second base and no infielders in the outfield grass. Think of it like an illegal defense in basketball.
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