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re: So maybe NBA contracts aren't that out of control: LeBron vs Ronaldo
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:44 am to Greace
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:44 am to Greace
quote:Understood, I really do understand.
It would be like if Lebron played in the NBA and had to play against the best teams in europe at the same time except the difference in level of play between the NBA and other basketball leagues is laughable.
My question would then be are you stating that if Lebron did this, he then would not be the best player in the world? Obviously, he's still the best, so...
Now let's flip it, instead of a Premier League, la Liga, and all the others, what if there was only 1 single league where all of the best soccer players played in each season like the NBA, wouldn't that logically be more competition for Ronaldo night in and night out?
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:51 am to shel311
quote:
My question would then be are you stating that if Lebron did this, he then would not be the best player in the world? Obviously, he's still the best, so...
I'm saying I'd be more impressed with him if he did.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:54 am to pvilleguru
quote:More impressed than him doing against the actual best players every night, every playoff, every Finals, every season? I guess I just don't get it.
I'm saying I'd be more impressed with him if he did.
Wouldn't it be more impressive if all of those 5 best leagues turned into 1 league and only the best of the best were in that league, and then Ronaldo did what he does(as I'm sure he still would) playing against the best collection of talent every single game?
Imagine Lebron racking up a few titles while never having to play KD or Steph because they were each in another league...I just don't see how that would be more competitive/impressive for Lebron to do, winning titles without facing ALL of the best of the best to get to said title.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:54 am to pvilleguru
But why? Why does lebron have to compete against massively and obscenely inferior leagues and talent? That makes absolutely no logical sense in any way, shape, or form
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:56 am to WestCoastAg
Because it isnt that way in Soccer. Most of the leagues top teams are around the same level.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 10:58 am to Greace
But thats not what I'm saying. I understand that's how soccer is set up. I'm just completely puzzled as to why that's a knock against lebron
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:00 am to shel311
quote:
Wouldn't it be more impressive if all of those 5 best leagues turned into 1 league and only the best of the best were in that league, and then Ronaldo did what he does(as I'm sure he still would) playing against the best collection of talent every single game?
Imagine Lebron racking up a few titles while never having to play KD or Steph because they were each in another league...I just don't see how that would be more competitive/impressive for Lebron to do, winning titles without facing ALL of the best of the best to get to said title.
Shel has taken the W in this debate.
It is decided.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:00 am to Greace
quote:Wouldn't Ronaldo face more competition if those 5 leagues took the best of the best and just had 1 top of the top league, and all the best soccer players in the world played a 40 game season and determined a team champ and MVP?
Because it isnt that way in Soccer. Most of the leagues top teams are around the same level.
How would that NOT be more competitive?
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:01 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:One must accept the TBird W/L declaration, this one just worked out in my favor!!!
Shel has taken the W in this debate.
It is decided.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:01 am to shel311
quote:
Imagine Lebron racking up a few titles while never having to play KD or Steph because they were each in another league
But Ronaldo does have to play guys that are on KD and Steph's level. It's just that there's a few dozen of those guys in soccer.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:02 am to pvilleguru
quote:
It's just that there's a few dozen of those guys in soccer.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:02 am to pvilleguru
quote:My point is, Ronaldo can win a title, I mean, a legit title and the equivalent of an MVP award in a league where he never has to play Messi for that specific title and MVP, right?
But Ronaldo does have to play guys that are on KD and Steph's level. It's just that there's a few dozen of those guys in soccer.
Lebron doesn't have that luxury.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:05 am to shel311
I see where you are coming from and I understand your argument. The argument im making is that ronaldo is the best player in the world in a game with probably a couple 10s of thousands more players. The competition level in the NBA isnt all that high.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:07 am to Greace
quote:what
The competition level in the NBA isnt all that high.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:08 am to WestCoastAg
Name me the teams in the finals for the last 5 years and ill name you the teams in the champions league final for the last 5. Point im making is that the NBA season hasnt even started and I bet you can pretty much name a team in the NBA Finals already.
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:09 am to shel311
quote:
Ronaldo can win a title, I mean, a legit title and the equivalent of an MVP award in a league where he never has to play Messi for that specific title and MVP, right?
He's been in the same league with Messi for the last decade.
Now that he's moving to Italy, he still has to play Icardi, Milinkovic-savic, Alisson, Koulibaly, Insigne, etc.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:09 am to Greace
quote:That's a fair point. But I think it would apply more to NBA role players and those types of dudes.
The argument im making is that ronaldo is the best player in the world in a game with probably a couple 10s of thousands more players
We obviously would never know, but considering Lebron is at worst the 2nd best basketball player the world has ever seen, I think it's a somewhat safe bet that he'd still be right up there even if the NBA had more soccer-like worldwide popularity.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:10 am to Greace
What in the world does that have to do with the individual talents in the NBA?
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:11 am to pvilleguru
quote:Bad example
He's been in the same league with Messi for the last decade.
But you get my point, pick a great player from the Premier League, point still stands.
quote:But not Messi, and not other great current soccer players. Again, a luxury Lebron does not have to win titles and MVPs.
Now that he's moving to Italy, he still has to play Icardi, Milinkovic-savic, Alisson, Koulibaly, Insigne, etc.
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 11:12 am
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:13 am to Greace
quote:
The competition level in the NBA isnt all that high.
Excuse me?
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