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re: “SEC was down this year” - when’s the last time any other conference had 5 in top 13?

Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:41 am to
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:41 am to
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Maybe these other conferences should try beating whatever SEC team that’s in the playoffs. Michigan losing to TCU last season only to have TCU curb stomped by Georgia pretty much shows the disparity in SEC vs everyone else at the end of the season.
Last year’s results should have zero beating on this year. But for better or worse, the SEC benefits from perception based on past performance. Even though the conference was down this year. Say what you want about “muh 5 teams in the top 13” but Georgia and Bama have looked underwhelming at times this year. Bama had their hands full with a pair of 6 loss teams (USF and Auburn) and 4-8 Arkansas. Yet they’re still viewed as more playoff worthy than an undefeated FSU who got the job done with a 3rd string QB and would’ve had their 2nd string back before the bowl game.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59991 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:53 am to
Also check the OOC record. LSU Bama and Florida all lost early season OOC games. The ACC was 6-4 on the year vs the SEC, but hey the ACC is inferior
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1095 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:02 am to
Cheering-on a school's sports teams is nonsensical, but doing so for conferences is an especially strange phenomenon.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
23777 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:05 am to
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The conference championship games over the weekend were abysmal to watch


Huh? Washington/Oregon was a great game. So was Bama/Georgia. I don't know how you could watch that, as a football fan, and not enjoy it.

The big 10 was no fun, but that's bc their divisions are jacked up. That's a big 10 problem, not a football problem. The ACC and Big 12 are second tier conferences, and they provided second tier games.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
23777 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:06 am to
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but hey the ACC is inferior


Are you suggesting that the SEC is not a better conference than the ACC?
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21532 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:12 am to
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You guys have completely lost it trying to justify a one loss Big 12 champ being given the nod over an undefeated ACC team.


As I have pointed out to you before, per the committee guidelines, they couldn’t have included bama without UT. Therefore the decision you are presenting is not relevant.
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
16887 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:14 am to
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You forgot Bama knocked the Heisman winning QB out to end that game


LSU was already losing when that happened and wasn't stopping Bama from scoring
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59991 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:18 am to
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Are you suggesting that the SEC is not a better conference than the ACC?


No I judge teams accomplishments not conferences. Team win not conferences. Florida St played and beat 2 SEC teams along with every one else they played, that’s 11 P5 games. They should be in as should Texas who did beat the SEC champs in the road.
Posted by Buttermilk Pancakes
Philadelphia
Member since Jul 2013
2169 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:53 am to
What has Arkansas contributed to this. Love when bottom feeders ride coattails when they haven’t contributed anything to the SEC rise. A few crappy bowl game wins. Considering 2010 was their best year and an average Ohio State team roasted these pigs might not wanna pipe it down and let the Big 6 run the show not The Hogs.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29402 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:56 am to
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As I have pointed out to you before, per the committee guidelines, they couldn’t have included bama without UT. Therefore the decision you are presenting is not relevant.


That’s false. Just look at them ranking one-loss Texas over one-loss OU earlier in the year despite OU’s win over Texas.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29402 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:58 am to
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They should be in as should Texas who did beat the SEC champs in the road.


3 top 15 wins > 1 top 15 win
1 loss to one-loss team > 1 loss to two-loss team
SEC Championship > Big 12 Championship

“but muh one game in September!”
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:00 pm to
1 > 0
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29402 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:01 pm to
I know, “but muh one game!”
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:03 pm to
Muh That Was September.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29402 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:03 pm to
September is irrelevant but I think it adds a nice touch.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29402 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:22 pm to
By the way, that metric you were using to support Texas a few days ago is now in Bama’s favor (SOS).

Completely rekt.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21532 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:27 pm to
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That’s false. Just look at them ranking one-loss Texas over one-loss OU earlier in the year despite OU’s win over Texas.


You are incorrect. The guidelines are written for “How to Select the Best Four Teams to Compete for the College Football Playoff Championship”

Only the final rankings do that.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:29 pm to
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By the way, that metric you were using to support Texas a few days ago is now in Bama’s favor (SOS).


Cool.

Now do H2H.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29402 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:31 pm to
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When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:

Championships won
Strength of schedule
Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)…


1. The guidelines don’t say “you must rank a team higher if they won the H2H,” just that it must be “considered.”

2. Strength of schedule is also in this list and that favors Bama.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21532 posts
Posted on 12/4/23 at 12:31 pm to
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3 top 15 wins > 1 top 15 win


Head-to-head MUST be specifically applied to tie breakers

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