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re: Seahawks QB Russell Wilson isn’t worth $100 million
Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:33 am to KosmoCramer
Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:33 am to KosmoCramer
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I have no idea what you're trying to say.
He's worth X amount of money in free agency.
That's his value.
No, that's his price. Price and value are different.
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:35 am to Mephistopheles
I misspoke.
This site is pissing me off. I can't even see groot's responses in this thread after I called him out for being a stupid fricking tree bitch.
Obvious value changes team to team, but his price is what someone will pay. So at some point his value will equal his price and he would probably take that deal unless he wants to take below market price and stay with the Seahawks.
This site is pissing me off. I can't even see groot's responses in this thread after I called him out for being a stupid fricking tree bitch.
Obvious value changes team to team, but his price is what someone will pay. So at some point his value will equal his price and he would probably take that deal unless he wants to take below market price and stay with the Seahawks.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:55 am to KosmoCramer
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It's their first three years in the league, a bit better comparison than comparing a veteran to a rookie.
No, it's an absolutely useless comparison. Smith's earning potential in 2015 has nothing to do with the fact that the 2005-7 49ers were one of the worst run and coached teams in the league and that Smith was raw as hell. Much more raw than Wilson, who had actually played in a pro style offense. Smith signed a 6 year contract which was 50% guaranteed, RW a 3 year contract for roughly league minimum.
Smith was one of the first highly drafted QBs out of an spread option offense, the NFL was still so set in it's ways that it had no idea how to use him. He was never particularly talented in NFL terms, but it took until 2011 for someone to realize that he needed a very simple passing game where he could throw in front of his receivers and he couldnn't throw a deep ball, and thus his career basically began.
In 2012 he almost broke Drew Brees' accuracy record, but in his first three years, had he not had $25m guaranteed on his contract, he'd have been cut and ended up out of the league. Smith's first three years were in no way indicative of his career trajectory the way RW's are. Smith actually had to wait for the 49ers to employ competent coaches. He had a 19/20 game at one point, next game he was 8/9 with 1 td and he got concussed. Most people were dumbfounded that Smith had suddenly stopped making poor throws and had an elite INT rate, but it basically just competent coaching and the evolution of the game.
Dalton or Cutler would be much more apt comparisons since we're discussing their earnings based on their careers.
Wilson will get a contract that averages at least 17.5m per season, unless he gives a discount.
The real question is will RW justify that contract by continuing to improve? I think he will.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 12:59 am
Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:57 am to KosmoCramer
quote:
I misspoke.
This site is pissing me off. I can't even see groot's responses in this thread after I called him out for being a stupid fricking tree bitch.
Obvious value changes team to team, but his price is what someone will pay. So at some point his value will equal his price and he would probably take that deal unless he wants to take below market price and stay with the Seahawks
Makes sense.
As for groot, I'll quote him for you
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I am Groot
Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:57 am to Mephistopheles
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had he not had $25m guaranteed on his contract, he'd have been cut and ended up out of the league.
ETA: I think some competent team would have picked him up, a la KC.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 12:59 am
Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:02 am to KosmoCramer
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ETA: I think some competent team would have picked him up, a la KC.
That makes sense. I was somehow projecting his level based on the talent level and OC musical chairs at the 49ers through that time contuing to bring him down, but that doesn't make sense.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:10 am to Mephistopheles
I agree with many in this thread that think Wilson isn't elite (yet).
He also runs an above average amount which opens him up to hits. The thing that separates him from someone like RGIII is that when he does run he never seems to take a huge hit. He has enough wiggle that most of the time he can juke and move laterally to lessen contact. He is also strongly built.
Also as someone added in this thread, Wilson is doing all this with undrafted free agent WRs. He has no weapons and his line is slightly above average. With an offensive friendly staff he could easily have elite numbers.
He also runs an above average amount which opens him up to hits. The thing that separates him from someone like RGIII is that when he does run he never seems to take a huge hit. He has enough wiggle that most of the time he can juke and move laterally to lessen contact. He is also strongly built.
Also as someone added in this thread, Wilson is doing all this with undrafted free agent WRs. He has no weapons and his line is slightly above average. With an offensive friendly staff he could easily have elite numbers.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:37 am to KosmoCramer
To say he has no weapons is disingenuous. Yes none of those players were drafted or highly touted, but to say they are not talented? We just saw a dude come in from Foot Locker and catch 4 passes for109 yards in the Super Bowl and a guy make by far the best catch in Super Bowl history that is sadly being overlooked because of bad playcalling/execution moments later.
For whatever reason people look at the draft as an exact science when it can't be further from the truth. Talent is talent. Doesn't matter when or where it is drafted, if at all.
Seattle has plenty of talented receivers, they are all just young and not the big names on that team. Will any of those guys every become 90 catch, 1400 yards 10 td guy? Probably not. But then again, their overall team philosophy doesn't ask for or need that sort of production from any one guy either. Same thing that the Patriots did in the first half of the last decade.
It's basically the football equivalent of what the Pistons did and the Spurs have been doing the last few seasons.
For whatever reason people look at the draft as an exact science when it can't be further from the truth. Talent is talent. Doesn't matter when or where it is drafted, if at all.
Seattle has plenty of talented receivers, they are all just young and not the big names on that team. Will any of those guys every become 90 catch, 1400 yards 10 td guy? Probably not. But then again, their overall team philosophy doesn't ask for or need that sort of production from any one guy either. Same thing that the Patriots did in the first half of the last decade.
It's basically the football equivalent of what the Pistons did and the Spurs have been doing the last few seasons.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:45 am to Groot
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We just saw a dude come in from Foot Locker and catch 4 passes for 109 yards in the Super Bowl
Matthews had a great game and abused a shorter DB in Arrington. That was his first catch all year.
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a guy make by far the best catch in Super Bowl history that is sadly being overlooked because of bad playcalling/execution moments later.
That was the luckiest play in super bowl history and had very little to do with Kearse' talent.
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Seattle has plenty of talented receivers, they are all just young and not the big names on that team.
They aren't great receivers. I was merely pointing out that Wilson is putting up extremely solid numbers with average WRs and a great running game. They have made the conscious choice do that obviously, you can't pay everyone.
The power of the read option isn't going away just by it's nature. It is a solid running play that will always work to some extent. And Wilson is damn good at it. This is why he will have to stay in a system that works to his strengths and may be why he takes a slight discount to stay in Seattle. But I can almost guarantee he gets a 100+ deal even if he stays with the Hawks.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 7:54 am to dj30
quote:Whoa, ease up there.
He is better than Romo
Posted on 2/4/15 at 7:59 am to kywildcatfanone
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No player or team of players is worth anywhere near that amount of money. But it's all about the market so common sense doesn't really matter.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 8:05 am to ZeeDustin
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Flynn could have led them to a super bowl. And before U say no he couldn't. 2 words. Colin Kap.
kaepernick is a much, much, much better QB than Matt Flynn
And they made the Super bowl on these performances:
vs Green Bay --> 17/31 (55%) 263 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Int. 16 rushes for 181 Rushing Yards and 2 TDs. They scored 45 points
vs. Atlanata --> 16/21 (76%) 266 yards. 1 TD, 0 Ints. 2 rushes for 21 yards. Huge comeback
They averaged about 35/game in the playoffs while giving up about 30/game.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 8:07 am
Posted on 2/4/15 at 8:10 am to Street Hawk
Considering they got him cheap as hell and a SB.....they've gotten lucky til now
Posted on 2/4/15 at 8:11 am to Groot
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From who? I wouldn't pay Russell Wilson $20 million unless he was bringing at least two of Lynch, Thomas, Chancellor, Bennett, Sherman, and Wagner with him.
Not sure why you're laughing. He would easily get $100 million on the open market by a team desperate for a QB.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 8:22 am to Groot
quote:good lord
From who? I wouldn't pay Russell Wilson $20 million unless he was bringing at least two of Lynch, Thomas, Chancellor, Bennett, Sherman, and Wagner with him.
He's a younger more mobile Alex Smith. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving Alex Smith more than $10 million a year, no one is going to give a player marginally better than him twice that yearly amount.
The only way Wilson gets a contract worth that amount is is if it is over at least 6 years. If I were the Seahawks, I'd offer him 4 years, 40 million. If he balks at that, mayb 4 years 48 million. If he doesn't sign that, well hey, We can find someone else to hand off to Lynch 25 times a game while attempting 25 high percentage short passes each game.
Some seriously stupid shite has been said in this thread.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 8:25 am
Posted on 2/4/15 at 8:25 am to Street Hawk
He's worth it to Seattle.
Johnny Manziel is taken.
Johnny Manziel is taken.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:11 am to dj30
If Wilson went to the open market, the Bills, Texans, and Cardinals would prolly drive his price so far up he would end up being the highest paid QB in the League
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:21 am to lsupride87
Add the Rams, Browns, Bucs, Jets, Titans, and possibly the Jags to that list.
A young QB like him would be a free for all. He'd be near the highest paid QB in the league.
A young QB like him would be a free for all. He'd be near the highest paid QB in the league.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:23 am to lsupride87
Wilson to texans or cardinals would make them a contender IMO, both teams have elite defenses and a way better WR corp than Seattle.
Russell Wilson/foster/Hopkins/Andre Johnson and dpoy jj watt
Russell Wilson/Ellington/Fitz/Floyd/brown and the elite secondary of pp21 and mathieu
Even as a game manager he would thrive on both teams IMO.
Russell Wilson/foster/Hopkins/Andre Johnson and dpoy jj watt
Russell Wilson/Ellington/Fitz/Floyd/brown and the elite secondary of pp21 and mathieu
Even as a game manager he would thrive on both teams IMO.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/4/15 at 9:30 am to ZeeDustin
quote:Wait...wait..what?
Flynn could have led them to a super bowl. And before U say no he couldn't. 2 words. Colin Kap
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