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re: Russell Wilson Agrees to 4 year, 87.6 Million Deal With Seahawks
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
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We haven't had a good slapfight in a while about whether he is a mediocre game manager or elite QB.
Neither. Not elite but not Jason Campbell either. Also not worth that money.
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:48 pm to Mephistopheles
quote:
IMO they're overpaying by 3-4m a season
This is a weird conversation to have. Overpaying means paying more than you have to pay. What option did they have?
Any QB that leads a team to two consecutive SBs is going to end up being paid amongst the game's highest paid. Him being paid around $18 million was never going to happen.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:50 pm to undecided
If he continues his progress, it will be worth it as he still has a lot of room to grow.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:57 pm to Goldrush25
I wonder, and I don't know the answer to this, if you put Jake Locker on that team if he takes them to 2 SBs. Did Wilson do anything spectacular or make certain big plays that catapulted them over the top in certain games, ala the Eli to Manningham throw on the sideline or the Flacco game in Denver? If so then he's worth it, if not then...Truth is with these NFL contracts we never know the true value and length. Could really be just a 3 year deal (avg out guaranteed $ and see how 4th year is structured) and that doesn't set a team back too far espcially if they keep doing what they're doing now.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:58 pm to Jcorye1
Qbs we think are better than Wilson:
Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben
Qbs we think will be better than him
Luck
So he is the 6-10 range and due a new contract. He is absolutely going to get top dollar. That is how this works. Look at how Dalton and Cam got paid
Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben
Qbs we think will be better than him
Luck
So he is the 6-10 range and due a new contract. He is absolutely going to get top dollar. That is how this works. Look at how Dalton and Cam got paid
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:00 pm to RedRifle
quote:Jesus Christ no
I wonder, and I don't know the answer to this, if you put Jake Locker on that team if he takes them to 2 SBs.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:00 pm to lsupride87
Never understood the Wilson dislike. He's been successful everywhere, including becoming an immediate starter in the NFL in his first season.
He's not spectacular, but leaders/winners don't need to be spectacular to run an offense effectively.
He's not spectacular, but leaders/winners don't need to be spectacular to run an offense effectively.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:01 pm to TigerBait2008
quote:
Correct but he doesn't fall into this category..
Statistically, he is in the upper-echelon of quarterbacks in the NFL.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:06 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:He just got a freaking Jake Locker comparison
Me either. He's an exciting player to watch. For some reason people blow as gasket when you put him in the top 10.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:07 pm to Goldrush25
quote:
This is a weird conversation to have. Overpaying means paying more than you have to pay. What option did they have?
Any QB that leads a team to two consecutive SBs is going to end up being paid amongst the game's highest paid. Him being paid around $18 million was never going to happen.
A) They had the option to let him sit and put some pressure on him. You're assuming he wouldn't capitulate.
As for overpaying, I'm talking in terms of the average QB who earns above 20m per season (on average). I know QBs are unique propositions and there isn't some store where they could just go get a 15m a year QB who averages a 90 Quarterback rating. I'm judging vs the market, which as I admit, is unfair.
B) Colin Kaepernick was a pass away from 2 straight superbowls, he has a 17m average per year contract for 6 years with practically no guarantees, that declines in value every year he doesn't win the superbowl or make all pro.
This is data for the time up until Kaepernick signed his contract
And it's not like RW suddenly jumped into being top 5 in any major passing stat last year (QBR maybe?).
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:12 pm to Mephistopheles
Is your chart supposed to be a negative for Wilson? Looks like he is the 6-7th best QB by your standards
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:18 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Is your chart supposed to be a negative for Wilson? Looks like he is the 6-7th best QB by your standards
I'd say he's about there. How much should the 6-7th best QB be paid?
Also, one factor few seem to consider, 4 years is a very very short contract for a franchise player at his age. He can make serious bank on a 3rd contract.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:29 pm to Mephistopheles
quote:
much should the 6-7th best QB be paid?
That's dictated by the market. Just look at Dalton for example
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:36 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
He's an exciting player to watch.
Hmmm. I find zero exciting about Wilson. From his way of saying nothing at all to his style of play. He encompasses boring imo
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:40 pm to Baloo
quote:
Honestly, that's what QB's who can win a Super Bowl cost. Right or wrong, that's the market. You either opt out or pay the man.
That's TODAYS NFL... I think he is more on line for about 15 mil ayear..... Hes more a game manager than anything else... He will never have super stats.. But winning is all that matters anyway... And HE finds ways to win...........
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:40 pm to danfraz
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This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:49 pm to lsupride87
I'd say he's the 10th best QB right now, but will undoubtedly move up the list. You have to pay to keep that. People bitched about Tannenhills contract, but I saw not problem with it. Don't understand bitching about Wilson's.
Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Manning
Romo
Big Ben
Luck
Rivers
Ryan
Are the guys I'd still have above him. A lot of these guys are up there in age. Wilson will
Be top 5. It's only a matter of time.
Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Manning
Romo
Big Ben
Luck
Rivers
Ryan
Are the guys I'd still have above him. A lot of these guys are up there in age. Wilson will
Be top 5. It's only a matter of time.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:52 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Exactly, people seem to forget that he hasn't been in the league that long.
If he continues his progress, it will be worth it as he still has a lot of room to grow.
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