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re: Roy Williams retiring from UNC
Posted on 4/1/21 at 1:38 pm to Athos
Posted on 4/1/21 at 1:38 pm to Athos
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Marshall injury was devastate for sure. Probably the best pure passer Roy ever had. Field general at point.
They were really clicking as a team after that kentucky game, absent the weird blowout loss to fsu.
Felton was my favorite unc player, and probably the best pg if not overall player williams cosched at unc. But I loved watching marshall play the most. His vision, passing, floor awareness, leadership all were incredible.
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I dunno I’d say 2017 was one of the worst. They were a highly experienced group of upperclassmen.
Worst might not be fair because they were very experienced. Maybe least talented would be better. They were basically the same team from the year before, minus the 2 best players in Paige and Brice johnson and without adding anyone notable save for Bradley’s 14 minutes off the bench.
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Winning 33 games playing in peak ACC can’t be sneezed at. They beat AP ranked 21, 5, 9, and 2 in the tourney.
Not sure I’d agree with peak ACC, but they certainly deserve all the credit in the world for playing very well in the tournament.
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 2:39 pm to BilJ
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frick him
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:01 pm to Athos
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The way the NCAA game is now, fielding a two big system when neither big can be a stretch 4 or 5, just isn't a tenable offensive scheme anymore.
This wasn’t the problem. Problem is they had one legit 3 point shooter on the entire roster this year, Brooks, who isn’t very good, has been promoted as their best player for two years, Love and Anthony were busts, and haven’t been able to recruit any high level wings. But yes, they could use someone to bring in a modern offense.
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I'm curious if Hubert Davis finally gets his shot or if they go outside the family.
Wes Miller.
It was time for Roy to go. That press conference after losing to Wisconsin, that was the face of an old man who looked tired and shouldn’t be coaching big time college basketball anymore. And if we are being honest, Ol Roy needed absolutely stacked, veteran teams to win.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:21 pm to landrywasbeast30
2017 wasn’t stacked. Berry and Jackson were our best players.
And yes. The two big system was an enough when they couldn’t stretch out and even be a threat at 16 feet.
Not having quality 3 point shooters has been a consistent problem in his later coaching seasons.
And yes. The two big system was an enough when they couldn’t stretch out and even be a threat at 16 feet.
Not having quality 3 point shooters has been a consistent problem in his later coaching seasons.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:36 pm to diddlydawg7
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All of you are crazy if you think Hubert Davis isn't getting the job. He's been getting prepared for 5 years.
Wes Miller has been the popular name for a couple years. I don’t think there has really been anything to say Davis has been being prepped to take over.
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He had a top 10 class the past two years?
The two star guards have both been busts, which really hurt, especially in Roy’s system which goes as the pg’s go.
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Cole Anthony wasn’t a difference maker?
He absolutely was not. Not even close.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:48 pm to Open Your Eyes
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that 2017 team that won is probably the worst national championship team in a very long time
That was a veteran team loaded with 5 and 4 star players.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 3:55 pm to Athos
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And yes. The two big system was an enough when they couldn’t stretch out and even be a threat at 16 feet.
Nope. Problem was they needed one more shooter to put in the Black spot. Wisconsin just doubled any time UNC dumped it in the post cause they knew UNC had only one shooter to kick out to.
Having the two bigs and dominating the boards is what was saving their arse from being terrible again this year cause the perimeter guys have sucked.
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2017 wasn’t stacked. Berry and Jackson were our best players.
Meeks and Hicks were both good. Jackson was great that year. Berry was clutch as hell. They weren’t dominant, but it was a team filled with 4 and 5 star veterans. That’s a huge deal in college basketball.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 4:00 pm to landrywasbeast30
Put Luke Maye as a stretch 4ish on this team and it’s much better as it frees up the bigs. Our bigs couldn’t score anywhere but three feet from the rim 90% of the time.
They got crowded a lot. And when teams collapsed in, the guards couldn’t do shite and on D, the bigs were often taken advantage of because they didn’t have the feet to do well out on the arc.
Though Kessler not getting more time because of Brooks was criminal.
They got crowded a lot. And when teams collapsed in, the guards couldn’t do shite and on D, the bigs were often taken advantage of because they didn’t have the feet to do well out on the arc.
Though Kessler not getting more time because of Brooks was criminal.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 4:09 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Meeks and Hicks were both good. Jackson was great that year. Berry was clutch as hell. They weren’t dominant, but it was a team filled with 4 and 5 star veterans. That’s a huge deal in college basketball.
Wouldn’t necessarily call it stacked in terms of talent especially if you watched a lot of Hicks. Supreme athleticism but rarely played under control. Should have been a 20/10 player. Instead 11 and 5 his last year.
Meeks was a product of coaching and conditioning and needed every year of eligibility. The star system just isn’t the same as football with Bball.
2017 is one of Roy’s better coaching seasons for some of these reasons imo.
The experience helped a lot no denying that, but the guard situation after Berry was a disaster.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 4:35 pm to ehidal1
Congrats to Roy!! He proved that if you say golly gee and dagnabbit enough people won’t see you for the scumbag you are.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 4:39 pm to Dale Sturtevant
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Congrats to Roy!! He proved that if you say golly gee and dagnabbit enough people won’t see you for the scumbag you are.
Not sure anyone outside of Pack Pride, Durham, and apparently bitter LSU fans on an internet forum would describe Roy Williams as a scumbag.
Why all the hate around here?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 4:44 pm to landrywasbeast30
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That was a veteran team loaded with 5 and 4 star players.
I’m perfectly fine revising that line to least talented. The experience on that team was great for sure.
4 and 5 stars mean very little in basketball. Does anyone really think nassir little was ever a 5 star basketball player?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 4:45 pm to Pisgah Pete
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Why all the hate around here?
Jealousy.
With Dook, K really is a rat fricker weasel. The Roy hate will always be weird.
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4 and 5 stars mean very little in basketball. Does anyone really think nassir little was ever a 5 star basketball player?
Don’t remind me of that hideous looking jumper he had.
So many bricks and air balls.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 4:53 pm to Pisgah Pete
Roy did a great job coaching the 16, 17 and even 18 teams. His 18 team was a #1 seed with a Coby White improving by the game. They just ran into the flu and a red hot AU in the tourney that year.
The last two years were really HARD on Roy and he just confirmed it at his PC.
The last two years were really HARD on Roy and he just confirmed it at his PC.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:53 pm to dlc83
Was the 17 or 18 team the Kennedy Meeks monster tournament
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:57 pm to Open Your Eyes
Bruce Pearl would be a great fit. The NCAA has shown that UNC is untouchable, and Bruce could use that.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 7:01 pm to sms151t
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Was the 17 or 18 team the Kennedy Meeks monster tournament
16-17 was his last season and he didn’t have a monster tourney. One 25 point game, one 16 point game.
Scored 7 against the Zags, 7 against UK, and 5 against Butler.
You may misremembering.
It was the Joel Berry “monster” tournament. But he only had two 20+ point games. The rest were around ten.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 8:05 pm to Athos
He was a rebounding machine his Junior year in the tournament. His Soph year he was 2nd in scoring I thought.
He was named preseason AA or ACC POY because of the tourney run I thought.
He was named preseason AA or ACC POY because of the tourney run I thought.
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