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Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:35 pm to
Posted by JackandWater
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:35 pm to
Happy for Ben Curtis. Really good guy!
Posted by ChestRockwell
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:05 pm to
No excuse from the favorite. Chad Brown and Pletcher horses didn't show up at all.
Posted by Optimism
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:55 pm to
Purses up at FG this year must be the slot money contributing
Posted by ChestRockwell
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:58 pm to
Not really. They give more money out for state breds than open company. State law requires them to write at least 3 state bred races per day. They sure are not attracting bigger outfits. Alot of them just come for the New Orleans food, and party scene. It ain't about the money, that's for sure because Turfway has much larger purses and larger fields. Thr Fairgrounds is nothing more than Delta with turf racing. 3 good cards per meet. Saturday's was #2, and Louisiana derby day, that's about it. Other than that it's a bunch of cheap rats .
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 12:56 am
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:32 am to
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Purses up at FG this year must be the slot money contributing

They just cut purses 10% across the board. Hard to imagine how betting could be down with all of the 7 horse fields of statebred NW2 5K. to bet (a condition that should NEVER be run at FG, and never was until Churchill brought in these slicks from Evangeline Downs to run the racing).
They care about 3 things:
1)A place for Ky trainers to train their good horses. It's the best training track in the country. This is legit (although fading).
2) 5 or so big days of the year, into which they jam all of the graded stakes..
3) Otherwise, they operate the racing like it's Evangeline Downs. Oh, let's jam 6 2 YO 100K La Bred stakes races (3 for each sex) into Nov and Dec. 8 race cards. Conditioned statebred claiming.

It's ridiculous. Delta is open - if a horse is too lame and slow to run in, dare I suggest, an open 5K, go to freaking Delta.
The purses are low, they don't care that Oaklawn park constantly punches them in the face. Their one competitive advantage is turf racing - and instead of using it as a competitive advantage, they completely mute it by offering lower purses on the turf than dirt.
Oh, and the "new" Racing Commission's first move was to ease medication restrictions - that ran off more out of state barns and/or lessened their participation.
Churchill has a pipeline to top level racing management via U of Louisville's program, and yet the same dude from Evangeline Downs dude's been running the place for nearly 20 years.
Posted by Overbrook
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:40 am to
The Graded Stakes committee really screwed over FG.
The Fair Grounds Oaks should have been G I a decade ago. When they moved the Ashland (run a week or so after the Oaks) to G I, that really hurt the Oaks. Then they moved Oaklawn's Fantasy, which hasn't had near the quality that FG Oaks has, into Grade II, also hurting it.
Yesterday's filly stakes had 4 horses...it will continue to deteriorate.
And politically, with Louisiana suing over HISA (Landry saying that La has a great record of self-regulation a real gut-buster) FG will probably lose more graded stakes.

Posted by Double Oh
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:08 am to
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Oh, and the "new" Racing Commission's first move was to ease medication restrictions - that ran off more out of state barns and/or lessened their participation.






Thats because the HBPA approved it and got the Racing Commission to go along with it which the members of the Racing Commission are just puppets to a certain guy who gets what he wants. And it was a bad look on the Racing Commission
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:09 am to
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And politically, with Louisiana suing over HISA (Landry saying that La has a great record of self-regulation a real gut-buster) FG will probably lose more graded stakes.




That's not going to happen will never happen
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:26 am to
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The purses are low, they don't care that Oaklawn park constantly punches them in the face. Their one competitive advantage is turf racing - and instead of using it as a competitive advantage, they completely mute it by offering lower purses on the turf than dirt.



Now you are spot on here. Purses are low through the whole condition book turf and dirt. The Casino stays open 365 we have sports betting but the HHR machines are still in a lawsuit. There still should be enough money to offer a purse of 75K for MSW horse state bred and open horses.

Turf purses need to be higher than the claiming price i agree there also. 15K claimers Friday ran for a purse of 21K. That's too low that purse should be 30-35K minimum.

Nothing wrong with the 6-2 yr old stakes in November and December. How do you expect breeders to breed horses if there's no money to run for or stakes money to run for? I don't see you complaining about the QH stake schedule for 2 yr olds. Half million dollar races for the Futurities.


Jason does a good job but ever thought he's handcuffed by his bosses in Louisville.

And purses should of been cut 10% across the board including stakes races.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 10:37 am to
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Yesterday's filly stakes had 4 horses...it will continue to deteriorate.





No it wont stop it. They had 7 in there and 3 scratched that's not the tracks fault. Don't know why Simply Joking was scratched her running style would of been perfect on that bias yesterday.
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:10 pm to
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That's not going to happen will never happen


It already has happened. Perhaps not for that reason (who knows the reason), but it has happened. And the won't be getting new graded stakes anytime soon.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
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23372 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:22 pm to
What graded stakes have they lost?
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6378 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:43 pm to
Well they weren't graded but 2 were delisted.
LINK

Silverbulletday delisted (should have been grade 3). Rachel Alexandra gets 4 horses.
The place needs some changes. The trends are terrible (except for the jockey colony: it has remained stout).
Posted by ChestRockwell
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 6:06 am to
Simply Joking scratched because her feed was off and a bad blood test. Same for Phil Bauer's horse in the RS. Boulet basically walked arse backwards into that job, thanks to Robbie Alborado. He's nothing more than a slot floor boss. Although his hands are somewhat tied, alot has to do with the cronies on the state racing commission. The purses were cut because there was no money being put into the betting machines for almost a week right after the snow storm. The money not only comes from the slots inside the FG, it also comes from the poker and slot machines at all the OTB's scattered across the region.
Posted by ChestRockwell
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 6:11 am to
The Mervyn Muniz and NO Handicap could also make it's case for a G1. Muniz is basically a prep for the Woodford Reserve (I still call it that. Race before the KY Derby )
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 6:11 am to
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Not really. They give more money out for state breds than open company. State law requires them to write at least 3 state bred races per day. They sure are not attracting bigger outfits. Alot of them just come for the New Orleans food, and party scene. It ain't about the money, that's for sure because Turfway has much larger purses and larger fields. Thr Fairgrounds is nothing more than Delta with turf racing. 3 good cards per meet. Saturday's was #2, and Louisiana derby day, that's about it. Other than that it's a bunch of cheap rats .



blame cdi, they put nothing into their other tracks

you cant even watch their signal, w/o tvg or roberts, horrendous cdi decisions. Keeneland gives their signal away, and it's become the top track, bcause of management, gambling decisions, and not being part of cdi.

churchill is a mediocre large track living off 1 day a year.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14607 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 6:14 am to
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Well they weren't graded but 2 were delisted. LINK Silverbulletday delisted (should have been grade 3). Rachel Alexandra gets 4 horses. The place needs some changes. The trends are terrible (except for the jockey colony: it has remained stout).


bah, one of useless decisions made

racing clowns have no problem giving graded stakes to races that continue to draw 3-4 horse mediocre fields in cali, or shite fields in NY, but heaven forbid one of the next tier tracks has a bad year. "we taking ur grade" bah
Posted by ChestRockwell
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 6:21 am to
Download the Churchill downs live app on Roku or Firestick. You can watch all the CD owned tracks, including Colonial. I got rid of TVG because they talk too much BS and I get to choose what track I want without a split screen. FYI, just about every major track is available to watch. Gotta know where to look.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23372 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:31 pm to
quote:


Well they weren't graded but 2 were delisted.
LINK

Silverbulletday delisted (should have been grade 3). Rachel Alexandra gets 4 horses.
The place needs some changes. The trends are terrible (except for the jockey colony: it has remained stout).



But they didn't lose any stakes they were just down graded. I don't care about the stakes races i care about the everyday purses for claimers, allowance, and Maiden horses. They need to get the daily purse money up because Oaklawn is kicking there arse.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23372 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 3:34 pm to
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The purses were cut because there was no money being put into the betting machines for almost a week right after the snow storm. The money not only comes from the slots inside the FG, it also comes from the poker and slot machines at all the OTB's scattered across the region.



Delta had the same problem and didn't cut purses. Same with Oaklawn. If they want to cut purses fine but do it across the board. They didn't and horseman are pissed off.

Oaklawn is kicking there arse in daily purse money and FG needs to get it together. Why you think Asmussen is running 400 horses at Oaklawn to 100 at FG?
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