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re: Removing the "criminal element" from the Power 5.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:17 pm to Oddibe
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:17 pm to Oddibe
quote:I understand that we're talking about the P5. If you would like me to include P5 in every post, I will.
Please quote where I said they don't deserve a second chance.
I love that you won't even address the substance of our posts.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 3:20 pm
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:52 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:If you believe Joe Mixon should be playing football for OU or Baylor should sign a kid that was kicked off another team for violence against a woman then there is nothing for us to discuss.
I love that you won't even address the substance of our posts.
Otherwise I would like to hear how you would address the issue
I purposely did not get into criteria for a reason but you insisted, so I obliged. Playing football is privilege not a right. Kids, who couldn't otherwise pay for school, much less meet the minimum stated academic requirements for enrollment are granted FREE admission to schools they would not otherwise be accepted into.
I just don't think bad behavior should be rewarded at the highest level. Joe Mixon has just a good chance at getting drafted playing at the FCS level as the P5 level. The only difference is no one would know Joe Mixon if he played for Stephen F Austin.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:27 pm to Oddibe
quote:There is nothing to address. Let the schools handle it.
I would like to hear how you would address the issue
You created a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:29 pm to Oddibe
quote:
oe Mixon has just a good chance at getting drafted playing at the FCS level as the P5 level. The only difference is no one would know Joe Mixon if he played for Stephen F Austin.
So then he wouldn't have just as good a chance at getting drafted.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:30 pm to Oddibe
quote:
With all of the recent negative incidents in college football becoming national news such as the Baylor rape cover-up and the Joe Mixon situation. I would like to see the Power 5 come up with a "code of conduct" clause. Art Briles accepted a player from Boise St with a known criminal past and Bob Stoops kept Joe Mixon around for a reason. Both coaches wanted to win.
I believe players deserve second chances. I just don't believe they deserve that second chance on the biggest stage. Stoops didn't get of Mixon because he knew one of his competitors would pick him, regardless of his background.
I am not saying Mixon should have been denied the opportunity to play, I'm only saying he should have been prevented from playing for a Power 5 school. If SMU or Louisiana Tech or any other Group of 5 school would have offered him, his rights would have not been violated. Playing football and receiving a scholarship is a privilege, not a right.
Very few of us could have attended ANY college we wanted to, whether the issue was admission requirements or for financial reasons.
So, unless the Power 5 collectively agrees to a rule that "black balls" criminal activity, the pressure to win at the P5 level will always allow for the criminal element.
It would also help the G5 if all of sudden 10-15 impact players a year started showing up in their division.
great idea. psyche.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:32 pm to stlslick
There's Missouri too
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:49 pm to Oddibe
Death penalty on psu, Baylor, bama, auburn, FSU?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 5:26 pm to Oddibe
quote:At the time, the dude was never charged with a crime, why shouldn't have Baylor signed him?
or Baylor should sign a kid that was kicked off another team for violence against a woman then there is nothing for us to discuss.
quote:Easily. Did the player serve his time with the law? Yes. Ok, then let the team decide. If they feel he served his time in the justice system and the system feels like he served his time, then I'm 100% ok with the football team saying the same.
Otherwise I would like to hear how you would address the issue
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:37 pm to Wayne Campbell
quote:
So then he wouldn't have just as good a chance at getting drafted.
Although I totally disagree with the OP I THINK he means that Joe Mixon would not get the media attention/ Nationally televised games in primetime, Heisman hype, etc....... by playing at OU.
But scouts know exactly who you are like top 5 picks Khalil Mack of Buffalo or Carson Went( North Dakota).
Totally disagree with him though.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:15 am to Oddibe
quote:
The great District Attorney of West Monroe didn't want to convict a football player because the player worked outside
Not West Monroe. Monroe
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:18 am to Oddibe
quote:This is what it's about, sounds like.
Very few of us could have attended ANY college we wanted to
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:32 am to Oddibe
quote:
I can tell you for sure, the video I saw of Mixon punching that girl was NOT-misdemeanor assault.
alternative facts
Posted on 1/26/17 at 7:17 am to sugar71
quote:
Although I totally disagree with the OP I THINK he means that Joe Mixon would not get the media attention/ Nationally televised games in primetime, Heisman hype, etc....... by playing at OU. But scouts know exactly who you are like top 5 picks Khalil Mack of Buffalo or Carson Went( North Dakota). Totally disagree with him though.
It still isn't the same. Wentz was QB for a FCS dynasty. They got tons of coverage while he was there. Not to mention the sample size of Wentz and Mack.
Mathieu would have been a sure fire first rounder had he played an extra year at LSU. I don't think you could say the same if he had transferred to McNeese.
FCS players do not get drafted at the same clip as P5 players. Mixon would still probably be drafted, but nowhere near as high.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:10 pm to Wayne Campbell
quote:
still isn't the same. Wentz was QB for a FCS dynasty. They got tons of coverage while he was there. Not to mention the sample size of Wentz and Mack.
Mathieu would have been a sure fire first rounder had he played an extra year at LSU. I don't think you could say the same if he had transferred to McNeese.
Who cares about TV coverage? Mathieu dropped because the League thought he may be another Josh Gordon who could not stay away from the herb.
TV coverage means squat if you can't play. As a Grambling Fan I can name you several from GSU & other many other HCBU 1st round draft picks who never got a minute of National TV exposure / Heisman hype,etc.......
Buck Buchanan - No 1 overall
Gary Big Hands Johnson - 1st rd
Doug Williams - 1st rd
Too Tall Jones(TSU)- 1st overall pick by Cowboys
Isaih Robertson( Southern) - 1st rd
Hugh Douglass- 1st rd
Rodgers Cromartie-1st rd
Claude Humphreys ( HOF) - 1st rd
R Porcher- 1st rd
Walter Payton ( 4th overall pick) never played on National television or got serious Heisman votes. Yet Payton was drafted higher than both John Capiletti( Penn State) & Archie Griffin despite their weekly exposure & 3 Heisman trophies.
Jerry Rice( 1st rd) pick was actually questioned by the media & fans ,but scouts & Walsh knew better.
If Fournette, Peterson, OBJ,Landon Collins , etc.....all go to McNeese they still go in the 1st rd.
Because kids like shiny things( TV,nice facilities,etc..) 80% of Alabama roster are 4 or 5 star recruits).
If those 4 or 5 star recruits go to Nicholls State & other Southland Conference schools good scouts know where they are & will draft them.
Scouts would descend on the Southland Conference.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:52 pm to Wayne Campbell
quote:
So then he wouldn't have just as good a chance at getting drafted.
TV & big time college sports doesn't create pro prospects or talent . They recruit them.
If Alabama, LSU , Ohio State ,etc......lost their 4 or 5 star recruits to Nicholls State /Grambling those schools would be ground zero for pro scouts .
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