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re: Removing the "criminal element" from the Power 5.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:06 pm to Oddibe
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:06 pm to Oddibe
Dude, you're wanting the P5 to ban players because you don't want to watch them play on Saturday. Not because CFB is suffering, but because of your personal feelings. That's a SJW mindset.
Take a shot at the criteria that would result in someone being blackballed from P5.
Take a shot at the criteria that would result in someone being blackballed from P5.
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:08 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:WOW! Someone once said "I can't define porn, but I will know it when I see it"(or something similar)
Misdemeanor assault.
I can tell you for sure, the video I saw of Mixon punching that girl was NOT-misdemeanor assault.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:09 pm to Oddibe
Therein lies your problem.
What people are convicted of rarely reflects what actually happened.
What people are convicted of rarely reflects what actually happened.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:26 pm to Oddibe
If the infraction doesn't automatically get you kicked out of the school then it shouldn't automatically get you kicked off of a team IMO.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:26 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Being released by another P5 school for "violation of team" rules. Any convictions involving violence or drugs, whether it be "misdemeanor assault" or "misdemeanor possession of drugs"
Take a shot at the criteria that would result in someone being blackballed from P5.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:29 pm to Oddibe
quote:Well, that sounds silly.
Being released by another P5 school for "violation of team" rules
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:32 pm to shel311
quote:Those 2 are not related and separate from each other. Fraternities are kicked off campuses all the time, but the students are not necessarily kicked out of school.
If the infraction doesn't automatically get you kicked out of the school then it shouldn't automatically get you kicked off of a team IMO
Are you suggesting that football players be held to the same standards as the whole student body? Then shouldn't they also be held to same academic standards for admission?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:37 pm to Sevendust912
quote:
Football is a violent game played by violent thugs. Accept that criminals are often the best players and just enjoy the game.
This. They are modern day gladiators. I think the issue is we look to football players to be role models when they aren't. Football players are entertainers
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:39 pm to shel311
quote:The umbrella of "violation of team rules" covers a lot of different things. TM7 and I forget the LSU QB who was kicked off, were basically kicked off for violating team rules. One couldn't pass his drug test and the other kept getting into off the field problems.
Being released by another P5 school for "violation of team" rules
Well, that sounds silly.
A lot of times these things tend to work themselves out depending on which year of eligibility it happens. Many transfer down to the next level to be eligible right away.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:40 pm to Oddibe
quote:What I said wasn't an absolute.
Those 2 are not related and separate from each other.
I said it shouldn't "automatically" get you kicked off of a team, like you're suggesting.
Everything is done on a case by case basis. And like it or not, an athlete's value will come into play in these decisions. That's how it's always been in all walks of life, not just sports, and that won't change here, nor should it.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:41 pm to Oddibe
You likely mean Ryan Perriloux.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:42 pm to Oddibe
quote:Yeah, good luck with that.
Any convictions involving violence or drugs
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:45 pm to teke184
quote:Yes, I couldn't remember his name. I knew that guy was trouble before he even enrolled at LSU, just from his recruiting antics.
You likely mean Ryan Perriloux.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:49 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:I don't think there is chance in hell of any of this ever happening. If I was truly serious about this I would have written an email to all of the presidents of power 5 schools. I just think it is worthy topic for discussion on a sports message board.
Yeah, good luck with that.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:51 pm to Oddibe
What you're proposing is banning a kid from P5 football for taking a swing in a barfight (not connecting, just swinging) or having a minuscule amount of marijuana in his possession. That doesn't seem a bit absurd?
Again, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Again, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:58 pm to shel311
quote:And that is probably my biggest issue with how things are handled. If Joe Mixon had only been a special team player and not a 5 star RB he would have never played another down at OU. That just sets the standards lower for the best athletes while holding everyone else to higher standard.
And like it or not, an athlete's value will come into play in these decisions
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:01 pm to Oddibe
quote:
Art Briles accepted a player from Boise St with a known criminal past
had he been convicted of anything at that point?
serious question
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:05 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Intent is kind of important.
taking a swing in a barfight (not connecting, just swinging)
quote:I don't think the NCAA has minimum amount of allowable marijuana present to pass a drug test.
having a minuscule amount of marijuana in his possession
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:06 pm to Oddibe
quote:It's a fight. Fights happen in college. You want to ban him for getting into a bar fight and doing absolutely zero damage. Just taking a swing. These are the "criminal elements" you want to remove from the P5?
Intent is kind of important.
That's ridiculous.
ETA: Let's get a little more absurd with it. A player shoves someone. Banned from P5.
quote:Ok?
I don't think the NCAA has minimum amount of allowable marijuana present to pass a drug test.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:10 pm to Oddibe
quote:That's not just in athletics. That is how it is in every walk of life. And I don't even think that's wrong, it makes sense, very logical IMO.
And that is probably my biggest issue with how things are handled. If Joe Mixon had only been a special team player and not a 5 star RB he would have never played another down at OU. That just sets the standards lower for the best athletes while holding everyone else to higher standard.
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