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re: Remember, Cleveland believed OBJ when he said Mayfield was the problem
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:01 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:01 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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You wonder how any team can be that consistently inept.
As a long time fan of a rival AFC North team, it's really not surprising how they can be so bad for so long. They literally make every mistake that are hallmarks of losing franchises. Firing coaches quickly, poor talent evaluation, build their roster from skill positions in, rather than the trenches out.
The look to make splash acquisitions rather than building a core of a team.
Watson's deal is killing them as well. A guy that hasn't played in multiple years is costing them nearly $40 million in cap space and will consume an unreal $81 million next year.
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Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:23 pm to RolltidePA
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it's really not surprising how they can be so bad for so long
I understand how it happened. But in that period they had coaches/GM's including Carmen Policy, Bill Belichick, Mike Holgren, Butch Davis, Eric Mangini...some of whom you think would know better.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:25 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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I understand how it happened. But in that period they had coaches/GM's including Carmen Policy, Bill Belichick, Mike Holgren, Butch Davis, Eric Mangini...some of whom you think would know better.
How many different owners have they had in that period though?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:26 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Shitty organizations make shitty decisions.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:28 pm to CR4090
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I hate to like the guy. But I love the way he plays.
Same.
He's grown up.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:33 pm to Remulan
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How many different owners have they had in that period though?
2...Randy Lerner who was very hands-off and Jimmy Haslam who followed a homeless person's advice to draft Johnny M
EDIT: Actually, Art Modell was owner for the end of the 80's and start of the 90's, so 3 i guess
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:48 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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I understand how it happened. But in that period they had coaches/GM's including Carmen Policy, Bill Belichick, Mike Holgren, Butch Davis, Eric Mangini...some of whom you think would know better.
That's kind of the problem. 12 Head coaches and 10 GMs in 25 years.
As good as some of the individuals have been, there's no such thing as an organizational plan. They can all be great, but none of them have had the ability to steady the organization and set them up to win.
Finally, they've kept a coach for a few years, but have set the team back with ridiculous deals. Now they're in a spot where they have to overpay or target underperforming free-agents, because they aren't at the top of anyones list.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 1:05 pm to RolltidePA
I think it’s also worth pointing out on this Browns franchise trashing that the actual Browns franchise IS in Baltimore now, called the Ravens. Moved to Baltimore after the ‘95 season.
The franchise that had Ozzie Newsome as its GM won two Super Bowls.
So I guess it’s maybe more like the Browns name has just been cursed. What pro football god did the fans in Cleveland, and Ohio in general, piss off?
The franchise that had Ozzie Newsome as its GM won two Super Bowls.
So I guess it’s maybe more like the Browns name has just been cursed. What pro football god did the fans in Cleveland, and Ohio in general, piss off?
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 10/13/25 at 1:19 pm to Lexis Dad
Daniel Jones succeeding with the Colts after leaving NYG.
Sam Darnold succeeding with the Seahawks after leaving NYJ.
Baker Mayfield succeeding with the Bucs after leaving CLE.
I fully believed Zach Wilson would be the next in line to become a good NFL starter after leaving that trash can organization but I guess the damage was too deep. Damn death sentence to be drafted by those teams.
Sam Darnold succeeding with the Seahawks after leaving NYJ.
Baker Mayfield succeeding with the Bucs after leaving CLE.
I fully believed Zach Wilson would be the next in line to become a good NFL starter after leaving that trash can organization but I guess the damage was too deep. Damn death sentence to be drafted by those teams.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 1:22 pm to BluegrassBelle
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and they absolutely ruined with him no OL)
not disputing the Browns have been difunctional at the QB position forever, but I think Couch would have been a bust regardless. He benefited greatly in college playing in the air raid before people knew how to defend it. He was a system QB without an NFL arm.
here is a pre-draft scouting report for Couch:
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Played in a four- and five-receiver offense in which he generally threw a lot of short passes. System helps build great stats and is somewhat similar to the University of Houston’s run-and-shoot, which hid the shortcomings of Andre Ware and David Klingler from the pros. In the system Couch has played in, they wanted him to throw passes of under 20 yards and very few passes in the 20- to 30-yard range. Thus, he has very little experience throwing those types of passes. Does not have a great John Elway/Dan Marino-type arm. Ball will flutter at times, and he rarely drives the ball, but at times he does show he can drill the ball 20 yards on a line. Needs a lot of work on his deep passing and must adjust to the fact that NFL defensive backs will break on the ball a lot faster than the college players he generally faced. Usually lined up in the shotgun. Only played three years of college ball, and his first year was pretty much a washout. Aside from his freshman year in college, has known nothing but great success and could have a hard time if he goes to a bad team and is thrown to the wolves.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 1:34 pm to ragincajun03
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think it’s also worth pointing out on this Browns franchise trashing that the actual Browns franchise IS in Baltimore now, called the Ravens.
This is very true and sort of underscores the absurdity of pro sports fandom.
The team that I grew up rooting for moved and became a hated divisional rival. The team that I then started following is an entirely new organization with all new people to whom I have no connection. Illogical really.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:14 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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This is very true and sort of underscores the absurdity of pro sports fandom.
And yet, it all seems better now than what we have in college athletics with an unregulated "NIL" combined with a no-sit transfer portal.
I find myself these days somehow liking NFL better than college athletics, which used to be completely opposite for me.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 3:00 pm to lsufball19
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He benefited greatly in college playing in the air raid before people knew how to defend it. He was a system QB without an NFL arm.
I would agree. He was much like Kingler, Wuerffel and Ware in that regard. Of course, those guys also went to horribly managed franchises out the gate as well.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 3:09 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Remember, Cleveland believed OBJ when he said Mayfield was the problem
fricking idiots
I honestly do not know how Browns fans have not tried to storm the facility and tie Andrew Berry to a rail and carry him out of town.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 1:54 am to Henry Jones Jr
Cleveland was the problem. You can tell whena player doesn't actually want to win and just wants money. They sign in Cleveland
Posted on 10/14/25 at 5:27 pm to CatsGoneWild
27 for 305 and 5 TDs in 8 games
Some of yall are legit retarded
Some of yall are legit retarded
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