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Posted on 7/26/11 at 12:25 pm to Tigerfan19
Me too, but he's been getting rocked recently, and I'd rather have him as a long reliever than Aceves even though Francona likes having a stable guy for long relief.
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Posted on 7/26/11 at 12:38 pm to Jcorye1
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I'm with you on this one. 39 hits in his last 23.1 innings, covering his last 4 starts. 5.15 ERA on the season and sinking like a rock. Great guy, team player, but his inconsistency, not only game to game, but inning to inning, is getting old. His 2010 ERA was 5.34. It will be interesting to see if he keeps that starting spot after getting #200.
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Seriously though, anything that gets Timmy outta the rotation is good enough for me
I'm with you on this one. 39 hits in his last 23.1 innings, covering his last 4 starts. 5.15 ERA on the season and sinking like a rock. Great guy, team player, but his inconsistency, not only game to game, but inning to inning, is getting old. His 2010 ERA was 5.34. It will be interesting to see if he keeps that starting spot after getting #200.
Posted on 7/26/11 at 12:43 pm to NHTIGER
The only reason I could see him staying there is Francona went to the Joe Torre school of "don't rock the boat". I'm not complaining, I'd rather have an overtly conservative coach with a team full of all stars than a guy who'd piss them all off.
Posted on 7/26/11 at 2:17 pm to Jcorye1
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If you really value players based on Gold Gloves and how many RBIs he gets, I don't know what to tell you. Fwiw, the goal in baseball as a hitter is to not cause an out. Is he supposed to swing at bad pitches in an attempt to drive the runner home? No, you take as many pitches as you can, looking for one that you can drive (and his slugging has always been pretty high, but I guess thats a shitty stat too). If you really think OPS is a bad stat, I'm just going to leave it alone.
The name of the game is scoring runs. A good middle of the lineup hitter should be aggressive and avoid being pitched around. I'd rather my #5 or #6 hitter sacrifice his average a little by being aggressive with runners on base. I could't care less about drawing walks to improve his OPS. Having played the game professionally and being an outfielder at that, I think I know a fantastic outfielder from an average one. I'll leave it at that. If you think Drew's production justifies his salary, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 7/26/11 at 2:45 pm to LSU82BILL
quote:A thousand times no. Or else we now think Ted Williams and Babe ruth were bad middle-of-the-order hitters because they drew so many walks.
A good middle of the lineup hitter should be aggressive and avoid being pitched around.
You're right, the goal of the offense is to score runs. And the best way to score runs is to not get out.
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Having played the game professionally and being an outfielder at that, I think I know a fantastic outfielder from an average one. I'll leave it at that.
which is why, as a group, former players tend to make terrible GM's (there are some very notable exceptions). Because you know what it takes to actually play the game -- none of us should ever give you pointers on how to swing the bat. But that is a different skill set than identifying talent and building a team.
Posted on 7/26/11 at 2:47 pm to Jcorye1
Aceves is the man. Boston is very fortunate to have him.
Cashman did a good job this past offseason signing Garcia and Colon... but he really dropped the ball on not bringing Alfredo Sauce back.
Cashman did a good job this past offseason signing Garcia and Colon... but he really dropped the ball on not bringing Alfredo Sauce back.
Posted on 7/26/11 at 3:59 pm to Baloo
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A thousand times no. Or else we now think Ted Williams and Babe ruth were bad middle-of-the-order hitters because they drew so many walks.
Please tell me you aren't comparing JD Drew to Babe Ruth and Ted Williams. Walks are certainly better than outs but while Ruth and Williams averaged 133 BB and 143 BB respectively they also averaged 130 RBI and 143 RBI respectively in a 154-game season. Drew has averaged 75 BB and 66 RBI in a 162-game season. That is some horseshite production in the middle of a lineup that has been no worse than 4th in the AL in runs scored during Drew's tenure.
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But that is a different skill set than identifying talent and building a team.
And identifying talent and building a team is a completely different skill set than lineup management and on-field managing. I'm not questioning Drew's talent. I am absolutely questioning his production. There is a damn good reason that Ortiz was moved to the 5 spot and Drew has mostly hit 6th thru 8th in the lineup.
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