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re: Ranking the National Champions of the Last Twenty Years - #24
Posted on 1/12/11 at 3:59 pm to bayoujd
Posted on 1/12/11 at 3:59 pm to bayoujd
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Why are there 25 national champions in the last 20 years?
Split national champions in '90, '91, '97, and '03. By my count there should only be 24 national champions in the last 20 years.
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Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:01 pm to TDawg1313
I have the all written out and numbered on a note pad. There are 25 teams, not 24.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:04 pm to RollTide1987
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I have the all written out and numbered on a note pad. There are 25 teams, not 24.
Ahh, I see where the numbers are off. If you are including 1990, there are 21 seasons, not 20.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:13 pm to RollTide1987
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24. The 1990 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Props for ranking us ahead of Colorado on this list.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:14 pm to TDawg1313
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Ahh, I see where the numbers are off. If you are including 1990, there are 21 seasons, not 20.
21 seasons, yes. But the difference between 1990 and 2010 is twenty years. I'm going by years instead of seasons.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:16 pm to RollTide1987
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Ranking the National Champions of the Last Twenty Years
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Yesterday kicked off the list with the #25 team on the countdown
Maybe they should have done a top ten list or something. This is stupid.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:23 pm to Powerman
Forgot about split titles. Are we were really going to allow the "split" title in 2003? LSU won the title, period.
I think there was a split title in the early 90s between FSU and ND, but I could be wrong. FSU was 11-1, and ND was 11-1. I think one poll voted FSU #1 to give Bowden his title (ugh) and another poll voted ND #1 (since ND beat FSU head to head that year).
I think there was a split title in the early 90s between FSU and ND, but I could be wrong. FSU was 11-1, and ND was 11-1. I think one poll voted FSU #1 to give Bowden his title (ugh) and another poll voted ND #1 (since ND beat FSU head to head that year).
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:43 pm to bayoujd
I know ND's last title was in 88, so if there was a split, it was between two other teams.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:47 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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I know ND's last title was in 88, so if there was a split, it was between two other teams.
You're correct that ND didn't share the 1993 title. I looked it up - AP and Coaches had FSU #1.
ND was hosed then. Both finished with the same record (11-1) and ND beat FSU 31-24.
FSU was pretty sweet though with Charlie Ward at QB.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:49 pm to SprintFun
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1990 sounded like an awful year.
It is accurate to say there was no dominant team for sure.
AU beat FSU who was #3 in the country at the time and would eventually finish 10-2, same as Miami to go to 5-0-1 (the tie was to 9-2 Tennessee). AU was 6-0-1 going to UF the week Virginia lost, earlier in the day. Win in the swamp and AU goes to number 1 with only 3 games left. UF kicked the shite out of AU by about 30.
After that, everyone had a lost but GT and by the end of the year no one still thought GT was the best team, but everyone had at least two losses.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:52 pm to bayoujd
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Forgot about split titles. Are we were really going to allow the "split" title in 2003? LSU won the title, period.
I think there was a split title in the early 90s between FSU and ND, but I could be wrong. FSU was 11-1, and ND was 11-1. I think one poll voted FSU #1 to give Bowden his title (ugh) and another poll voted ND #1 (since ND beat FSU head to head that year).
The years where the AP and Coaches/UPI polls were split:
1990 - GT/Colorado
1991 - Miami/Washington
1997 - Michigan/Nebraska
2003 - LSU/USC
The AP voted 2003 USC #1, so they should be on this list. At least save your breath until he ranks them ahead of 2003 LSU.
In 1993, FSU won both major polls after beating #1 Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. Notre Dame beat them by a TD in South Bend and lost to Boston College later.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:54 pm to bayoujd
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You're correct that ND didn't share the 1993 title. I looked it up - AP and Coaches had FSU #1.
ND was hosed then. Both finished with the same record (11-1) and ND beat FSU 31-24.
FSU was pretty sweet though with Charlie Ward at QB.
FSU deserved it in 1993. The loss to ND was in South Bend and Notre Dame's loss was not near the same quality. It was to a pretty sorry team like Boston College or something.
AU was undefeated, but of course on probation at the time.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 4:56 pm to NOTORlOUSD
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Props for ranking us ahead of Colorado on this list.
1990 Colorado played 7 teams that finished in the AP top 25 including 3 top 10 teams and 1 top 5 team. 1990 Georgia Tech played only 3 top 25 teams including 1 top 10 team and 0 top 5 teams. I know Colorado was the beneficiary of the worst call in CFB history but I don't see any way they weren't a better team than Georgia Tech that year.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:00 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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FSU deserved it in 1993. The loss to ND was in South Bend and Notre Dame's loss was not near the same quality. It was to a pretty sorry team like Boston College or something.
AU was undefeated, but of course on probation at the time.
FSU also played arguably the toughest schedule I've ever seen from a national championship winning team. They played THREE teams that finished in the top 5 and six teams in the top 25. Their average point differential was a gawdy +31.31 PPG. That was a GREAT team, easily one of the best CFB teams in the last 20 years.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:00 pm to TDawg1313
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Split national champions in '90, '91, '97, and '03. By my count there should only be 24 national champions in the last 20 years.
Don't forget the 2004 People's National Champion
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:19 pm to Bench McElroy
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1990 Colorado played 7 teams that finished in the AP top 25 including 3 top 10 teams and 1 top 5 team. 1990 Georgia Tech played only 3 top 25 teams including 1 top 10 team and 0 top 5 teams. I know Colorado was the beneficiary of the worst call in CFB history but I don't see any way they weren't a better team than Georgia Tech that year.
At the time Georgia Tech played Virginia, Virginia was #1 in the country. They played and beat a Clemson team that finished the season 10-2. They also played a nationally ranked Nebraska team in their bowl game. I know Colorado's schedule was tough, but bottom line is that they should have been 10-2-1 and out of contention for the title. Even with the "Fifth Down" play it is still very questionable to this day whether the QB got into the end zone or not. Georgia Tech never had any such controversy befall them in 1990 and they finished their season undefeated with a tie.
This post was edited on 1/12/11 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:22 pm to Bench McElroy
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FSU also played arguably the toughest schedule I've ever seen from a national championship winning team. They played THREE teams that finished in the top 5 and six teams in the top 25. Their average point differential was a gawdy +31.31 PPG. That was a GREAT team, easily one of the best CFB teams in the last 20 years.
Agree that was a great team. AU was the only team to finish the 1993 season undefeated and did beat the #1 (at the time ) Florida Gators, but AU wanted no part of that FSU team in a bowl game. It was just as well the 1993 AU team could not go to a bowl, because if they could have, they would have played FSU and lost by double digits IMO.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:25 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Agree that was a great team. AU was the only team to finish the 1993 season undefeated and did beat the #1 (at the time ) Florida Gators, but AU wanted no part of that FSU team in a bowl game. It was just as well the 1993 AU team could not go to a bowl, because if they could have, they would have played FSU and lost by double digits IMO.
Nebraska should have beaten Florida State in that bowl game. Tommie Frazier took control of the game in the fourth quarter and willed his team to a 16-15 lead with just over a minute left. Had the kicker not kicked the ball out of bounds, thus giving FSU a start on the 40-yard line, Nebraska might have three-peated. Nebraska also had a punt return for a touchdown called back because of a block in the back that never happened.
Even after Nebraska lost the lead with like 20 seconds left, Tommie Frazier drove the team down the field and put them in position to win the game with a field goal. Unfortunately the kick went wide.
This post was edited on 1/12/11 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 1/12/11 at 5:26 pm to Bench McElroy
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FSU also played arguably the toughest schedule I've ever seen from a national championship winning team. They played THREE teams that finished in the top 5 and six teams in the top 25. Their average point differential was a gawdy +31.31 PPG. That was a GREAT team, easily one of the best CFB teams in the last 20 years.
All of that great, but the #1 tiebreaker in any sport, at any level, is head-to-head. Why on earth would anyone look at schedule strength, point differential, and other stats etc. when you can simply compare 2 teams with the same record by seeing how they fared?
ND won head-to-head. I remember watching that game, and the score was not indicative of how much ND physically controlled FSU.
Posted on 1/12/11 at 6:07 pm to BayouBengals03
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If 2003 LSU isn't #1 then frick this list.
As great as that team was, it wasn't in the same league as the 1995 Cornhuskers.
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