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re: Ranking FBS national champions since 1990
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:41 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:41 am to H-Town Tiger
Their case:
-14-0 natl champs
-21 pt MOV average
-2nd toughest SOS that year
-SRS of 23.69
-+158.9 yard differential average
-second in total defense, second in scoring defense
-25 NFL draft picks comprised that squad and Nick Saban's HC
-14-0 natl champs
-21 pt MOV average
-2nd toughest SOS that year
-SRS of 23.69
-+158.9 yard differential average
-second in total defense, second in scoring defense
-25 NFL draft picks comprised that squad and Nick Saban's HC
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:51 am to VADawg
No it's not, they got their championship vacated due to cheating, the other teams that finished undefeated didn't. We're gonna honor teams that are stupid enough to get caught cheating over teams that didn't get caught and are still recognized by the NCAA as champions? That's a horrible precedent to set since technically that championship doesn't count whereas the others do.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:15 am to ThePTExperience1969
1995 Nebraska
12-0
38.7 MOV
Yard Diff +294.7
SRS 26.86
SOS 24 but beat 4 teams that finished in top 9, their closest game was 14, their 2nd closest was 23
If Hall of Famers on the roster doesn't count for ranking pro teams why does # of future pros count for a college team?
12-0
38.7 MOV
Yard Diff +294.7
SRS 26.86
SOS 24 but beat 4 teams that finished in top 9, their closest game was 14, their 2nd closest was 23
If Hall of Famers on the roster doesn't count for ranking pro teams why does # of future pros count for a college team?
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:19 am to ThePTExperience1969
Well there is a strong possibility that they lose to Texas if Colt doesn't get hurt.... 1995 Nebraska left zero doubt about how great they were..........
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:33 am to H-Town Tiger
2009 Alabama beat the no. 1 and 2 squads by an 17 pt average, beat 10 +.500 teams, including 5 teams that would finish top 25 with a MOV of 14 along with a +19 TO margin. Per-game point was 32-11 against the 2nd-toughest schedule in America. Point is element of difficulty should matter in assessing the all-time teams and to defeat the toughest opponents by a 3 TD average and +19 TO margin, that's obliteration right there. Really a case for itself that's kind of underrated.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:36 am to dukke v
Well that's unproven hypothetical so inapplicable here. It's football, you play with who you have bc injuries do happen, reinforcement mentality. Alabama took care of business that night, Texas didn't, simple as that.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:46 am to ThePTExperience1969
Oh ok...... if you think that the 2009 Bama team was better than the 1995 Nebraska team then you are an idiot... but carry on with your crap......
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:49 am to ThePTExperience1969
I agree however Bama gets credit for beating the #3 squad even though that team would not have been #3 without McCoy all year.
Nebraska's domination of Florida was far more impressive.
Nebraska's domination of Florida was far more impressive.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:51 am to 632627
quote:
08 was carroll's best defense,
That season still burns me up. What a lost opportunity that was, all because of one half in Corvallis.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:59 am to dukke v
They played a considerably weaker schedule than 09 Bama, which explains the 53-14 per-game. 09 Bama played the 2nd toughest schedule in the entire country and still permitted only a 11 ppg average while scoring 30+. They were the top 2 national defense in 2009 and played more ranked teams than the 95 Huskers. Taking all that into consideration, I have to select 09 Bama over them their accomplishments were more remarkable. And I'm an LSU fan! Lol
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:02 am to ThePTExperience1969
Wrong...... Bama barely squeaked by Texas in the NC game... Nebraska literally destroyed a very good Florida team... they could have scored 80 easily if they wanted to......
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:09 am to dukke v
16 pt MOV doesn't accurately reflect "barely squeaked by" but carry on. Quite frankly, I don't even consider the 95 Huskers the best team that decade, the 99 Florida State team were: played a tougher SOS, 22 pt MOV and dominated Michael Vick in the natl title game. First team EVER to go wire to wire no. 1 the whole season.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:14 am to TTsTowel
quote:
In my entire existence, I have never once seen or heard anyone say 2010 Auburn could beat 2001 Miami. I don't think Miami would crush them, but I don't think Auburn would win.
As for the 2004 versus 2010 Auburn teams, it's debatable. 2004 had more quality players, but 2010 had the best overall player. 2010 played a much tougher schedule as well. It's a hard call.
I think there are only a couple of teams on the list capable of crushing 2010 Auburn, and that would be on an off night.
But, that's not to say I think we're an elite team in 2010. We were an extremely resilient team with one of the most dominant and elite players ever in NCAA. I just can't really see anyone putting the hurt on that team.
However, and while I think that applies to a hypothetical 2010 AU vs 2004 AU game as well, I think 2004 AU is the better overall team. But I wouldn't be surprised to see 2010 eek out a win.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:16 am to ThePTExperience1969
42-29 is a dominating win??????
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:22 am to dukke v
46-29
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:13 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:
They played a considerably weaker schedule than 09 Bama, which explains the 53-14 per-game. 09 Bama played the 2nd toughest schedule in the entire country and still permitted only a 11 ppg average while scoring 30+. They were the top 2 national defense in 2009 and played more ranked teams than the 95 Huskers. Taking all that into consideration, I have to select 09 Bama over them their accomplishments were more remarkable. And I'm an LSU fan! Lol
Nebraska destroyed 4 teams who finished in the top 10. Alabama needed a blocked FG to beat 7-6 Lane Kiffin.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:21 pm to Korin
Alabama defeated 5 top 25(at year's end) teams with a MOV of 14, the no. 1 and 2 teams in the country by average MOV of 17, went undefeated against the nation's 2nd toughest schedule with a MOV of 21, that's supposed to be considered less remarkable than destroying only 4 year end top ten teams? Gimme a break.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:24 pm to Korin
That Nebraska team utterly fricking wrecked every team that lined up across from them. Kansas, Colorado, Kansas State and Florida were all really good that year and Nebraska just tore them all apart like it was nothing.
Their lines were disturbingly good (IIRC, Frazier didn't get sacked once all season), their backfield was disgusting, and their defense had speed and power at every level. They were pretty easily the best and most dominant team I have ever seen.
Their lines were disturbingly good (IIRC, Frazier didn't get sacked once all season), their backfield was disgusting, and their defense had speed and power at every level. They were pretty easily the best and most dominant team I have ever seen.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:28 pm to VADawg
A great spinoff question would be --
Where would the 2011 LSU team be ranked, all-time, had they finished that year 14-0 and National Champions???
With 2 wins over Bama
Wins over the Pac-12 and Rose Bowl winning Oregon Ducks
And a win over Big East and Orange Bowl winning West Virginia
Plus the rest of the top 10 teams they beat that year.
Would you have them in your top 5?
Where would the 2011 LSU team be ranked, all-time, had they finished that year 14-0 and National Champions???
With 2 wins over Bama
Wins over the Pac-12 and Rose Bowl winning Oregon Ducks
And a win over Big East and Orange Bowl winning West Virginia
Plus the rest of the top 10 teams they beat that year.
Would you have them in your top 5?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:28 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:
Alabama defeated 5 top 25(at year's end) teams with a MOV of 14, the no. 1 and 2 teams in the country by average MOV of 17, went undefeated against the nation's 2nd toughest schedule with a MOV of 21, that's supposed to be considered less remarkable than destroying only 4 year end top ten teams? Gimme a break.
2009 Alabama was nowhere near as dominant as 1995 Nebraska, and that wasn't even Saban's best team (2011 was).
Alabama needed two blocked field goals to beat a bad Tennessee team at home and needed a late TD drive to beat a bad Auburn team. An off day for 1995 Nebraska was a 20 point win. A really good day for them was the Fiesta Bowl massacre, when they took their foot off the gas in a 62-24 win over one of Spurrier's best Florida teams.
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