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Question about the Mercedes Formula 1 team......
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:11 pm
I’m trying to get into F1 this year, which I thought this past weekend’s race was phenomenal, however I don’t quite understand why the Mercedes cars are so much faster than everyone else’s?
What is the rule when it come to engines, chassis and performance features on these cars? Assuming they are not all alike such as NASCAR, but do the rules allow the rich teams to have an unfair advantage?
Please excuse my ignorance on this subject.
What is the rule when it come to engines, chassis and performance features on these cars? Assuming they are not all alike such as NASCAR, but do the rules allow the rich teams to have an unfair advantage?
Please excuse my ignorance on this subject.
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Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:12 pm to JohnnyBgood
Money
An army of workers, engineers, analysts etc.
Hamilton
Toto Wolff
Combo of those things
An army of workers, engineers, analysts etc.
Hamilton
Toto Wolff
Combo of those things
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:23 pm to BigWillieStyle
Ok so the playing field is not level? Best money can buy like the NFL or NBA?
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:28 pm to JohnnyBgood
They all run similar engines that have to meet certain specs I believe. You can’t just build some monster and run it. I think Mercedes runs the same power units that racing point is this year.
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:33 pm to JohnnyBgood
F1 is very much a pay to win sport at this point unfortunately.
Mercedes has dumped an assload of money into their team, so while merc is pushing the boundaries of what a car can do under the rules, all the other teams are just trying to catch up to where merc was a year ago.
Mercedes has dumped an assload of money into their team, so while merc is pushing the boundaries of what a car can do under the rules, all the other teams are just trying to catch up to where merc was a year ago.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:48 pm to BigWillieStyle
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Money
An army of workers, engineers, analysts etc.
Hamilton
Toto Wolff
Combo of those things
This
Plus now the have DAS this year...other teams do not.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:55 pm to JohnnyBgood
Merc has years of spending hundreds of millions in development of their car over the recent years... aero, drive train, tech, etc
Also, having 2 really good drivers doesn't hurt either
all teams run a similar spec engine, but there are only 4 engine providers at the moment... Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault, and Honda
Next year there will be a cost cap of 145 Million (I believe), which will help to bridge the gap between the haves and have nots
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:25 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Next year there will be a cost cap of 145 Million (I believe), which will help to bridge the gap between the haves and have nots
I did hear them talking about this so it’ll definitely be interesting so see if the other teams can catch up.
Thanks for the info guys
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:34 pm to JohnnyBgood
Next year will have a big driver shakeup as well
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:37 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:That's great to hear. Between this and NASCAR's schedule shakeup/Gen 7 next year should be really fun for racing
Next year there will be a cost cap of 145 Million (I believe), which will help to bridge the gap between the haves and have nots
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:51 pm to BigWillieStyle
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Next year will have a big driver shakeup as well
Freaking Alonso coming back to Renault...Carlos blocking for Lec...and Danny playing 2cd fiddle to Lando. Love to see Seb join Racing Point and get daddy boy Lance out of F1.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 3:07 pm to WildcatMike
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Freaking Alonso coming back to Renault..
Alonso vs Cyril is going to make Drive to Survive a must watch
Posted on 7/8/20 at 3:25 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Last I heard, all the 2021 rules changes got pushed back to 2022 because of Corona virus. But yea, the new rule changes should spice things up a bit.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 4:54 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Next year there will be a cost cap of 145 Million (I believe), which will help to bridge the gap between the haves and have nots
How is this going to be enforced?
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:01 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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How is this going to be enforced?
With lots of wishful thinking
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:02 pm to YF12
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With lots of wishful thinking
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:50 pm to JohnnyBgood
quote:
I’m trying to get into F1 this year, which I thought this past weekend’s race was phenomenal, however I don’t quite understand why the Mercedes cars are so much faster than everyone else’s?
The TLDR version: they’re better because of the name: ROSS BRAWN
Most current F1 teams are on the grid as repackaged versions of older teams sold off...
This current Mercedes team actually started in the 70s as Tyrell Racing. A successful team w/ Sir Jackie Stewart winning a bunch of ships...
They sold to British American Tobacco (BAT) around 2000 and they partnered with Honda for engines. Longer story short(ish),Honda buys the team outright in 2006 — weren’t very successful, but were the first team to start development on a KERS (Hybrid) system in 2007 and Hired a guy named Ross Brawn as technical director.
[Brawn was The man behind Michael Schumacher’s success @ Ferrari.]
After only 3 years, Honda abruptly pulled out of F1 citing the financial crisis, and sold the team outright to Brawn.
Brawn has been working on the aero for the 2009 season in all of 2008 considering that season a wash.
Then he partners w/ Mercedes for engines. He Shows up with a mostly sponsorless car in 2009 and Wins the drivers & constructors championships after exploiting an aero loophole. Search: “Double Diffuser”
He sells the team outright to Mercedes in 2010, and remained there for a bit (I believe he’s still a minority partner even though he’s Sporting Director is F1 now)....
So it’s believed a combo of Mercedes dumping millions into the team + having a leg up (5+ years developing a hybrid engine on the field) + Brawn’s “rules expertise” ....when the new Hybrid powered turbo engines (KERS) Regs came fo be in 2014, Mercedes had every competitive advantage possible.
And they’ve won every single constructors and drivers championship since.
End Story time/
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 6:19 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
Well said Blue!
Brawn was with Merc for a while prior to the spec change. Basically did nothing but work on the car for the current specs. No one has caught up and both drivers are really really good.
Brawn was with Merc for a while prior to the spec change. Basically did nothing but work on the car for the current specs. No one has caught up and both drivers are really really good.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 6:46 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
Definitely have a technical know-how advantage. Some other teams have deep pockets too and are clueless.
Whatever Ferrari did to their engines over the offseason was terrible.
Whatever Ferrari did to their engines over the offseason was terrible.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 7:40 pm to southernelite
I feel kind of bad for the American Haas team. The Netflix series kept showing how terrible their pit crews and drivers were. They couldn’t even get the damn lug nuts on the car correctly.
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