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re: Pujols & CJ Wilson to Angels
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:49 am to Srbtiger06
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:49 am to Srbtiger06
Yeah, and they should be hesitant.
I think the Rangers are well set up to make pitchers want to come to Texas. The BPiA hurts that, but when you have Nolan, plus Greg and Mike Maddux, that sets up a formula for pitchers to want to learn, IMO. I guess we'll just see how it pans out.
I think the Rangers are well set up to make pitchers want to come to Texas. The BPiA hurts that, but when you have Nolan, plus Greg and Mike Maddux, that sets up a formula for pitchers to want to learn, IMO. I guess we'll just see how it pans out.
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Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:50 am to floridatigah
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When has anyone signed a marquee free agent without overpaying?
If everyone is overpaid, then maybe you are not accurately valuing the market.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:51 am to SCUBABlake
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You are the biggest doom and gloom mother fricker I've ever seen
It's always nice to be the best as something!
Seriously, the Rangers are showing the same pattern they did during their last (and only other) semblance of success. Sign a washed-up reliever (Wetteland then, Nathan now) and then overpay for a position player (A-Rod then though he came well after the Rangers postseason period ended, possibly Fielder now who has worse post-season numbers than Mitch).
The CJ move didn't shock me; I thought he would jump to the Halos given the chance since he's from out there. And he won't do anything for them in the postseason, but add 15 wins to them and deduct 15 from Texas from the regular season (as we have nobody to replace him; don't kid yourself about Darvish coming here and if he does think Dice-K II), that's all they needed to get into the postseason. Their big 3 (Weaver, Haren, Santana) can take care of business in the postseason.
The Pujols move was a shock; I didn't see the Halos as even having interest. This may be Vlad Guerrero Part II as far as him hitting our pitching.
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We have 2 brilliant baseball minds in the front office. Let them do what they do best.
They can't make Texas a team where players want to come. Only a WS championship could have done that, and that slipped away in Game 6.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:52 am to SCUBABlake
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I think the Rangers are well set up to make pitchers want to come to Texas.
I agree cause all they have to do is keep their ERA under 5 in order to have a winning record on the year.
AL West will be a fricking awesome divison race.
The extra wild card may work out well this upcoming year with six teams that look pretty legit.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:53 am to Vicks Kennel Club
I understand that their value is what the open market pays for you. But most of these guys that are lured away from their former clubs with monster deals don't perform up to their contract from a numbers perspective.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:55 am to OWLFAN86
quote:Oh God this is wonderful...the Angels are morons and the Cardinals lose Pooholes. I'm going to riverdance in the tears of Cardinal fans unfathomable sorrow this year.
Pujols & CJ Wilson to Angels
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:56 am to floridatigah
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This is ridiculous, Rangers still have better talent in their organization than anyone in baseball IMO.
Slow your roll.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:58 am to SCUBABlake
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Nolan is a very valuable asset.
Even Nathan said what sold him was his dinner with Nolan. His friend said he was "wowed
The Nathan deal is probably a disaster waiting to happen. Mid 30's with arm problems is never good.
The only way this deal works out is for Nathan's arm to somehow improve enough to become an effective closer or set-up reliever, then when the Rangers are 15-20 games behind the Halos in mid-June, find a playoff contender that will take him in exchange for prospects. He won't bring in the bounty that Tex did but that's a once-in-a-lifetime deal.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:58 am to Quidam65
Debbie Downer over here. The Angels just committed over $40 million per year to two players. They already had good enough pitching to beat the Rangers, except in the Bullpen. They got offense with Pujols, but they are still lacking at catcher and their outfield is old, overpaid, and often injured. Will they be a better team? Yes. Better then the Rangers? Probably not. And the Rangers aren't doing it the same way, they have a top 5 farm system that was nonexistent back in the early 2000's and they have an ownership who is willing to put money where it needs to be spent, not in a 32 year old player who is going to be making $25 million per year when he is 38+. The Rangers will make a move, and it will be a good one. Not just spending for the sake of spending like the Angels.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 11:59 am to Srbtiger06
Who is better? They've made the world series two years in a row and may have the best system in baseball.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:00 pm to Quidam65
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They can't make Texas a team where players want to come.
See:
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I think the Rangers are well set up to make pitchers want to come to Texas. The BPiA hurts that, but when you have Nolan, plus Greg and Mike Maddux, that sets up a formula for pitchers to want to learn, IMO. I guess we'll just see how it pans out.
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Only a WS championship could have done that, and that slipped away in Game 6.
Then how did they get the players they have now, coming off of a WS loss?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:00 pm to Quidam65
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It won't help. The Rangers now have nothing even moderately resembling an ace pitcher. And when have the Rangers ever signed a marquee free agent without badly overpaying?
Even moderately? Surely you kid. As far as ceiling is concerned, Holland has the stuff and potential to become a staff ace. Harrison throws 95 and has 3 other offerings. Feliz has as good of an arm as anyone in the majors. Wilson himself wasn't a marquee ace.
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Nobody wants to come to Texas. They had their chance to be a marquee destination, and gave it away twice in Game 6.
Sure this makes sense. No one wants to come to a team who's been to the past 2 WS's and have one of the best, if not the top, pitching coach in the league. Look at the staff ERA the past two years and where they ranked... it speaks for itself.
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Over/under--12 years before the Rangers even compete for the playoffs again much less make them.
This year... so I guess that makes it well under. Are you some bitter Angels fan who didn't even their beating the past two years?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:02 pm to SCUBABlake
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I think the Rangers are well set up to make pitchers want to come to Texas. The BPiA hurts that
I think Heave Ho Park will agree. That's why they won't come -- who wants to get shell-shocked?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:03 pm to floridatigah
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Who is better? They've made the world series two years in a row and may have the best system in baseball.
They have a solid team. Pitching is above-average and should improve. Bullpen needs work. Farm is improving but they don't have the "big league ready" talent like the Angels have YET.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:03 pm to Quidam65
Does the name Billy Wagner ring a bell? All-star closer who had TJ surgery when he was 37 years old and still came back and posted 2 seasons of below 2 era as a closer. What about Chris Carpenter, who had TJ surgery when he was 32? Catch my drift? And Yu will be spectacular, he's 24 with 7+ pitches and throws in the mid-90s. He isn't Dice-K who came over when he was like 29.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:05 pm to Quidam65
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I think Heave Ho Park will agree. That's why they won't come -- who wants to get shell-shocked?
did you choose to ignore the last fricking part of what I said there? Jesus tapdancing Christ.
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:05 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz
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Does the name Billy Wagner ring a bell? All-star closer who had TJ surgery when he was 37 years old and still came back and posted 2 seasons of below 2 era as a closer.
Kerry Wood?
Mark Prior?
BJ Ryan?
Phil Humber?
Jaret Wright? (to an extent)
Mike Hampton?
It isn't a sure thing. For every Mo Rivera, Tim Hudson, etc. you have a failure.
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And Yu will be spectacular, he's 24 with 7+ pitches and throws in the mid-90s. He isn't Dice-K who came over when he was like 29.
Yu is 25. Rice-K was 26.
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:07 pm to papz
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As far as ceiling is concerned, Holland has the stuff and potential to become a staff ace.
I agree Holland can be an ace. Remember the big discussion is that he should have started Game 7 instead of CJ. But that adds only 2-3 more wins than he had this year (he had I believe 17 this year). Still need to replace CJ's win total notwithstanding his postseason crap.
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Feliz has as good of an arm as anyone in the majors.
For 1-2 innings at best. And this year he was WAY down from his ROY season. If you remember Bobby Witt you see where this is going.
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Harrison throws 95 and has 3 other offerings
Then why is he in discussions to be traded?
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Are you some bitter Angels fan who didn't even their beating the past two years?
Nope. DFW native who grew up seeing the Rangers fail and fail again. And watching the same pattern from the one other time I thought they might be showing signs of success.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:09 pm to Srbtiger06
Actually, it might've been 27. But he had been pitching for over 6 years in the NPB and never had a season that was as good as Yu's is what I was getting at.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:12 pm to SCUBABlake
Rangers are about to trade for Matt Garza 
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