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re: Pretty tough to argue against Manning being the GOAT at this point
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:13 pm to Sophandros
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:13 pm to Sophandros
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Only twice (and one was 21 points and the other was to Manning's team) did Brady lead his team to your arbitrary 20 point barrier in a loss.
He's also lost 4 less playoff games and his TD/INT ratio is significantly better at 42/22.
Also, don't get me wrong I'm not saying Brady is the best ever either but he has a stronger overall case than Manning imo.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 3:16 pm
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Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:13 pm to RollTide1987
quote:You are the one saying wins are more important than who is actually better
Then by that same token who cares about what Peyton Manning has done?
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:14 pm to lsupride87
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According to you 145 yards and a TD with a team win, is better than 450 yards and 4 tds with a team loss. That is my point
Do you think Kurt Warner walked off the field feeling good with his 365 passing yards, the second most in Super Bowl history, after his team lost on a last second field goal? Or do you think the guy holding the Super Bowl MVP trophy, after throwing for just 145 yards, was feeling a little better?
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:16 pm to lsupride87
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You are the one saying wins are more important than who is actually better
No I'm not. I'm simply saying stats don't tell the full story when you're trying to pick out who the GOAT is. For the record, I have not once in this thread uttered the statement, "Tom Brady is greater than Peyton Manning."
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Of course winning feels better, but it is so stupid to judge who is better off wins.
Do you think Kurt Warner walked off the field feeling good with his 365 passing yards, the second most in Super Bowl history, after his team lost on a last second field goal? Or do you think the guy holding the Super Bowl MVP trophy, after throwing for just 145 yards, was feeling a little better?
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:25 pm to lsupride87
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Of course winning feels better, but it is so stupid to judge who is better off wins.
And you're stupid for thinking that's all I was arguing. I simply stated facts. The fact is...Manning's case for GOAT is hurt by his team's playoff record. His numbers in regular season games are incredible but, as I said earlier in the thread, real legends are made in the playoffs. Players play the game for those post-season moments. Those images last forever.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 5:45 pm to RollTide1987
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His numbers in regular season games are incredible but, as I said earlier in the thread, real legends are made in the playoffs. Players play the game for those post-season moments. Those images last forever
Career Super Bowl Passer Rating
Joe Montana 127.83
Jim Plunkett 122.83
Terry Bradshaw 112.80
Troy Aikman 111.93
Bart Starr 105.98
Brett Favre 97.61
Roger Staubach 96.33
Kurt Warner 95.94
Tom Brady 95.12
Peyton Manning 85.42
Best regular season - five other famous passing seasons of all-time in comparison to their peers:
In 1999, Kurt Warner (109.2) exceeded the league-wide rating (77.1) by 41.6 percent.
In 2007, Tom Brady (117.2) exceeded the league-wide rating (80.9) by 44.9 percent.
In 2004, Peyton Manning (121.4) exeeded the league-wide rating (82.8) by 46.6 percent
In 1989, Joe Montana (112.4) exceeded the league-wide rating (75.6) by 49.2 percent
In 1976, Ken Stabler (103.4) exceeded the league-wide rating (67.0) by 54.3 percent.
But back to post-season...
Montana never threw an INT in his 4 Super Bowls.
Montana's passer rating actually increased in the playoffs throughout his career...compared to the regular season - which is an anomaly. Most QBs in history (but 3) their ratings have decreased due to tougher competition.
Mannings decreased dramatically.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 5:59 pm to Zamoro10
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Montana's passer rating actually increased in the playoffs throughout his career...compared to the regular season - which is an anomaly. Most QBs in history (but 3) their ratings have decreased due to tougher competition.
Have you actually watched any of those games except for maybe the 2md Begals game Montana barely even gets touched and is mostly throwing short passes as his WRs and RBs break tackles and gets yards
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:00 pm to Zamoro10
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In 2004, Peyton Manning (121.4) exeeded the league-wide rating (82.8) by 46.6 percent In 1989, Joe Montana (112.4) exceeded the league-wide rating (75.6) by 49.2 percent
From what I understand and have seen, That 49er team is one of the best of all-time. 2004 Colts were not.
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Montana never threw an INT in his 4 Super Bowls.
This is something special that is NOT team related. An awesome stat.
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Montana's passer rating actually increased in the playoffs throughout his career
I say this tends to be the cause of having greater coaching and a very very fine team around him. But yes Montana IMO is the best playoff qb of all-time. Through research though I may have to go with Otto Graham. He won a ton of titles, BUT at and in a way different era.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:31 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Montana barely even gets touched and is mostly throwing short passes as his WRs and RBs break tackles and gets yards
That's the way the West Coast offense is supposed to work. Bill Walsh and Joe Montana pioneered it.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:43 pm to MusicMaster
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From what I understand and have seen, That 49er team is one of the best of all-time. 2004 Colts were not.
Only because they didn't win a Super Bowl. The 1989 San Francisco 49ers were 14-2. The 2004 Indianapolis Colts were 12-4 and finished 1st in their division.
But the '89 49ers were one of the greatest teams in NFL history - definitely the best team in franchise history. They beat the Vikings 41-13 in the divisional round of the playoffs, beat the Rams 30-13 in the NFC Championship, before uttering destroying the Broncos 55-10 in the Super Bowl.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:45 pm to RollTide1987
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That's the way the West Coast offense is supposed to work. Bill Walsh and Joe Montana pioneered it.
So basically any QB could do it.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:47 pm to RollTide1987
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The 2004 Indianapolis Colts were 12-4 and finished 1st in their division.
Ok but did not win the SB.
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The 1989 San Francisco 49ers were 14-2.
Ok. But I have seen the playoff run by the '89 49ers. Domination is what I saw. I have seen what the Bears '85 run was like, and it was better, but The way they toyed with the Broncos in the SB it was amazing.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:49 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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So basically any QB could do it.
Of course. That's so many NFL teams were running the offense successfully in the 1980s.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:50 pm to MusicMaster
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Domination is what I saw. I have seen what the Bears '85 run was like, and it was better, but The way they toyed with the Broncos in the SB it was amazing.
Indeed it was. That particular Super Bowl is on YouTube if anyone would like to watch it. Montana absolutely TORCHED that defense.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 6:56 pm to RollTide1987
His failures in the big game date back to college as well.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:31 pm to benhamin5555
Manning is the GOAT, without question!
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:32 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Have you actually watched any of those games except for maybe the 2md Begals game Montana barely even gets touched and is mostly throwing short passes as his WRs and RBs break tackles and gets yards
I grew up watching Montana...and if you think he threw short passes when it counted compared to today...Brady and Manning...you are crazy...it's the opposite.
This is the dink and dunk generation. You are witnessing the GOATS of the DINK AND DUNK generation - all the way down the field - la-DE-da...
You saw it last night with Manning.
You see it with Brady all the time.
In Brady’s five Super Bowls, his longest pass plays of the game have been 23 (Rams), 52 (Panthers), 27 (Eagles), 19 (Giants 2007), and 21 (Giants 2011) yards.
Brady has thrown 9 TD passes in his five Super Bowls. The distances on those plays are 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8, and 12 yards.
Montana threw 11 TD passes in his 4 Super Bowls. The distances on those plays are 11, 33, 8, 16, 38, 28, 14, 10, 20, 7, 35 yards.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:38 pm to RandySavage
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His failures in the big game date back to college as well.
Got benched in his final game.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:38 pm to MusicMaster
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Montana barely even gets touched
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Verlander:
You didn't watch football in the 80's.
Montana got body slammed knocked out in a playoff game against the Giants.
Not getting touched?
Have you seen Brady and Manning?
You are aware of the rule changes and pussification that's happened with this league regarding hitting the QB the last 10 years right?
You've gotten the memo?
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 8:39 pm
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