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re: Poker Misery
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:29 am to C
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:29 am to C
quote:
but why did you go all in with so little in the pot?
6 handed, he only had 100,000 in chips, with 600 antes and 3000/6000 blinds, there is really only one option, if you get any decent hand, you go all in.
If he raises to 20-25K, he's pot committed and will be going all in regardless, so it is the only play.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:35 am to shel311
quote:ive got roughly 16 BB'S left and there was 12.6k in the pot. i had raised 4xBB the previous 2 hands and taken down both pots which is why im sure he called thinking i was just making a move. in reality i wanted the call i had him CRUSHED he just hit a 2 outer to frick me.
I mean I don't get why he called, but why did you go all in with so little in the pot?
this
btw just from the little talking ive done with BG ive gone WAY longer in these tourney's. this one was 1600 people i believe.
quote:
6 handed, he only had 100,000 in chips, with 600 antes and 3000/6000 blinds, there is really only one option, if you get any decent hand, you go all in.
If he raises to 20-25K, he's pot committed and will be going all in regardless, so it is the only play.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:37 am to Acreboy
quote:
btw just from the little talking ive done with BG ive gone WAY longer in these tourney's. this one was 1600 people i believe
Who is BG?
And what was the details of the tourney? Buy in? Where'd u finish? In the money? How much?
Just curious, lol.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:41 am to shel311
quote:
Who is BG?
And what was the details of the tourney? Buy in? Where'd u finish? In the money? How much?
Just curious, lol.
BG Lanoix he used to post here and knows John Dolan.
$2.20 buy in..lol i made the money finished 23rd and won $21.07 and there were 1906 entrants.
This post was edited on 8/2/10 at 5:42 am
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:43 am to Acreboy
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i made the money finished 23rd and won $21.07 and there were 1906 entrants.
Damn, that's impressive.
Good stuff. I need to get back into poker, but i'm too busy getting online with NCAA.
I'm turrible at tournies but do ok at cash games. But I much prefer tournies, go figure, lol.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:44 am to shel311
the risk/reward is better for me right now financially with tourney's than cash games. i can lose it all in a cash game
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:45 am to shel311
and if my hand holds up im sitting with over 200k with only 24 people left i'd have cruised to the FT
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:47 am to Acreboy
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the risk/reward is better for me right now financially with tourney's than cash games. i can lose it all in a cash game
Yea, that's the draw of tournies as well. Lower buy ins and if you do well, you can play off of a couple of bucks for hours.
And they're just more fun to me, even though I'm horrible at em for some reason.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:50 am to shel311
before talking to BG i could never envision myself folding AJ on the button to a raise
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:57 am to Acreboy
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before talking to BG i could never envision myself folding AJ on the button to a raise
I think I'm on the opposite end as you. I don't know what my problem is. Maybe too conservative?
i basically never ever seen to chip up and I'll win a couple of small pots or maybe double up early on, but my stack usually just slowly dwindles down until I'm forced to go all in with a marginal hand and bust out.
That's how it goes almost every tourney I play in.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 6:01 am to shel311
i really am conservative for the most part. i got "wild" at the beginning and called a min raise in middle position with JT and hit 2 pair on the flop. guy had AA and was PISSED to say the least.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 8:06 am to Acreboy
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before talking to BG i could never envision myself folding AJ on the button to a raise
I dont know who BG is or what kind of advice he gave you (which I'd love to hear more of), but lately I have making these types of folds as well. I used to push with hands like this and now I'm beginning to realize its not that great of a hand, especially to an EP raise (and even more so to an EP raise and MP re-raise, or even MP call). I've been playing better lately by not putting all of my chips in the middle when I dont have to. I probably wouldnt have pushed with the 10s either, though obviously it was the right play, just unlucky. I love this game, but boy can it piss you off with those thing happen!
Posted on 8/3/10 at 1:16 am to Htown Tiger
again what are the odds? it's just us two left btw.
PokerStars Game #47641176917: Tournament #297708094, $3.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/08/03 1:10:22 CT [2010/08/03 2:10:22 ET]
Table '297708094 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Jovial86 (6770 in chips)
Seat 2: infamous337 (6730 in chips)
infamous337: posts small blind 100
Jovial86: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to infamous337 [Td Kc]
infamous337: calls 100
Jovial86: raises 300 to 500
infamous337: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Ts Ad Kd]
Jovial86: bets 800
infamous337: calls 800
*** TURN *** [Ts Ad Kd] [3c]
Jovial86: bets 2000
infamous337: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [Ts Ad Kd 3c] [3h]
Jovial86: bets 3470 and is all-in
infamous337: calls 3430 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (40) returned to Jovial86
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jovial86: shows [Ks Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
infamous337: shows [Td Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Jovial86 collected 13460 from pot
infamous337 finished the tournament in 2nd place and received $8.10.
Jovial86 wins the tournament and receives $13.50 - congratulations!
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13460 | Rake 0
Board [Ts Ad Kd 3c 3h]
Seat 1: Jovial86 (big blind) showed [Ks Ac] and won (13460) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: infamous337 (button) (small blind) showed [Td Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens
PokerStars Game #47641176917: Tournament #297708094, $3.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/08/03 1:10:22 CT [2010/08/03 2:10:22 ET]
Table '297708094 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Jovial86 (6770 in chips)
Seat 2: infamous337 (6730 in chips)
infamous337: posts small blind 100
Jovial86: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to infamous337 [Td Kc]
infamous337: calls 100
Jovial86: raises 300 to 500
infamous337: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Ts Ad Kd]
Jovial86: bets 800
infamous337: calls 800
*** TURN *** [Ts Ad Kd] [3c]
Jovial86: bets 2000
infamous337: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [Ts Ad Kd 3c] [3h]
Jovial86: bets 3470 and is all-in
infamous337: calls 3430 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (40) returned to Jovial86
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jovial86: shows [Ks Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
infamous337: shows [Td Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Jovial86 collected 13460 from pot
infamous337 finished the tournament in 2nd place and received $8.10.
Jovial86 wins the tournament and receives $13.50 - congratulations!
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13460 | Rake 0
Board [Ts Ad Kd 3c 3h]
Seat 1: Jovial86 (big blind) showed [Ks Ac] and won (13460) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: infamous337 (button) (small blind) showed [Td Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens
Posted on 8/3/10 at 3:47 am to Acreboy
you should have folded the river when the 3 paired the board as a single ace could beat you and its pretty obvious he had to have at least an ace minimum
Posted on 8/3/10 at 4:02 am to PokerChamp21
Also, and you can correct me if I"m wrong here PokerChamp...
I know his opponent was gonna play top 2 pairs to the end regardless, but given the situation, I don't think calling the raise, calling the flop, and calling the bet on the turn is the correct play.
It seems at some point, you have to get some info and make a move, not just 3 straight calls, no?
Like I said, dude was gonna call any raise I'm sure, but that's not really the point in this instance.
I know his opponent was gonna play top 2 pairs to the end regardless, but given the situation, I don't think calling the raise, calling the flop, and calling the bet on the turn is the correct play.
It seems at some point, you have to get some info and make a move, not just 3 straight calls, no?
Like I said, dude was gonna call any raise I'm sure, but that's not really the point in this instance.
Posted on 8/3/10 at 4:20 am to shel311
I agree, i think heads up with high blinds the hand is almost unfoldable on the flop and the turn he should have went all in and he would have just been unlucky to be behind in that situation, but playing the hand the way he did he should have folded the river, but yes he should have went all in on the flop or the turn incase his opponent had a pair and a gutshot or something like that by allowing his opponent to get there and even if his opponent had a weak ace a reshove on the flop possibly gets him off of it but by the river that hand would have also sucked out on him by playing it the way he did.
Posted on 8/3/10 at 4:24 am to Acreboy
breaking the hand down completely i would raise on the button nearly everytime with K10 heads up unless i felt like limp re raising an aggressive opponent. this would have let you know where he was at pre flop as he would have re raised your raise most likely.
I dont mind the call on the flop as to looking at one more card to make sure an ace or queen or jack doesnt peel off and put you in a bad spot as a hand such as KJ may want to gamble with you on the flop but not the turn(lots of morons out there)
i would def. ship the turn in a heads up situation if you are unlucky enough to be beaten at this point then oh well.
the way the hand was played out by the river you have to fold imo. as any ace beats you and by the way he bet out the hand he had an ace minimum by the time it got to the river
I dont mind the call on the flop as to looking at one more card to make sure an ace or queen or jack doesnt peel off and put you in a bad spot as a hand such as KJ may want to gamble with you on the flop but not the turn(lots of morons out there)
i would def. ship the turn in a heads up situation if you are unlucky enough to be beaten at this point then oh well.
the way the hand was played out by the river you have to fold imo. as any ace beats you and by the way he bet out the hand he had an ace minimum by the time it got to the river
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:32 am to PokerChamp21
quote:shite I didn't even see that. I was tired ad shite but that's no excuse. I didn't raise cause he was raising EVERY pot so by just flatting it'd disguise the strength of my hand.
you should have folded the river when the 3 paired the board as a single ace could beat you and its pretty obvious he had to have at least an ace minimum
Posted on 8/3/10 at 7:34 am to LSUTigerguy789
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I normally don't share bad beat stories
this is a good policy and you should stick to it.
Posted on 8/3/10 at 8:34 am to bbap
quote:
this is a good policy and you should stick to it.
agreed, especially when your "bad beats" are in $2 and $3 dollar tourneys.
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