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re: "Plus one" playoff systems
Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:49 am to St Augustine
Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:49 am to St Augustine
quote:
I like the idea of having a cutoff for eligibility. Just because you are a conf champ doesn't give you a pass.
I agree with this, but looking at the past I havent found a year it would be a problem yet. Gonna look more when I get a chance.
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:50 am to dgtiger3
2 highest champs would have been OSU and Oregon with a SEC upset Saturday
Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:53 am to Ford Frenzy
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2 highest champs would have been OSU and Oregon with a SEC upset Saturday
Yeah you are right, sorry I didnt consider LSU not being a conference champ. I still think I have a problem with 2 teams from the same conference with neither winning conference title in the top 4. I really need to do a year by year comparison.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 11:57 am to dgtiger3
Any plus-one system that does not preserve the traditional Rose Bowl matchup of the Big Ten vs. the Pac-12 champions is a non-starter.
Accept the facts on the ground. Any system must preserve the Rose Bowl as much as possible. Making a semifinals system simply won't work. It will never pass over the Big Ten and Pac-12's likely objections.
A playoff won't happen either because of the power of the bowls. Accept that as well. Work within the framework, not what you would create from scratch.
Accept the facts on the ground. Any system must preserve the Rose Bowl as much as possible. Making a semifinals system simply won't work. It will never pass over the Big Ten and Pac-12's likely objections.
A playoff won't happen either because of the power of the bowls. Accept that as well. Work within the framework, not what you would create from scratch.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:02 pm to Baloo
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Any plus-one system that does not preserve the traditional Rose Bowl matchup of the Big Ten vs. the Pac-12 champions is a non-starter.
I have heard plenty of takling heads advocate a plus-one without being held hostage by the Rose Bowl. They can take the highest ranked teams from those conferences for all that I care, They got TCU - Wisconsin last year?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:05 pm to dgtiger3
Yeah, and the Rose Bowl was pissed (though they can live with it if one of the conference champs are playing for the title). The Big Ten and Pac-12 teams worship at the altar of the Rose Bowl. Yes, we're held hostage by it, and it's likely why the plus one system was rejected last time. It's why the Rose Bowl refused to be a part of the Bowl Alliance - it couldn't protect the traditional matchup.
It is what it is. The Big Ten and Pac-12 will never support gutting the Rose Bowl.
It is what it is. The Big Ten and Pac-12 will never support gutting the Rose Bowl.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:07 pm to dgtiger3
Last year our sytems would both have had
(1)Auburn *CC vs (5)Wisconsin *CC
(2)Oregon *CC vs (3)TCU *AL
yours would have
(1)Auburn *CC vs (4)Stanford *AL
(2)Oregon *CC vs (3)TCU *AL
I like Wisconsin over Stanford. College Football is a National Sport, not a regional sport, thats one reason I didnt particularly like LSU - Bama with a reasonable opponent from a different conference sitting there.
(1)Auburn *CC vs (5)Wisconsin *CC
(2)Oregon *CC vs (3)TCU *AL
yours would have
(1)Auburn *CC vs (4)Stanford *AL
(2)Oregon *CC vs (3)TCU *AL
I like Wisconsin over Stanford. College Football is a National Sport, not a regional sport, thats one reason I didnt particularly like LSU - Bama with a reasonable opponent from a different conference sitting there.
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:13 pm to dgtiger3
2009
Both would look the same
(1)Alabama *CC vs (4)TCU *AL
(2)Texas *CC vs (3)Cincinnati *CC
2008 (I prefer mine again for same reasons)
Mine
(1)Oklahoma *CC vs (5)USC *CC
(2)Florida *CC vs (3)Texas *AL
Yours
(1)Oklahoma *CC vs (4)Alabama *AL
(2)Florida *CC vs (3)Texas *AL
Both would look the same
(1)Alabama *CC vs (4)TCU *AL
(2)Texas *CC vs (3)Cincinnati *CC
2008 (I prefer mine again for same reasons)
Mine
(1)Oklahoma *CC vs (5)USC *CC
(2)Florida *CC vs (3)Texas *AL
Yours
(1)Oklahoma *CC vs (4)Alabama *AL
(2)Florida *CC vs (3)Texas *AL
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:25 pm to Baloo
You may not give a shite but the conferences CERTAINLY do care
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
Any proposal has to get passed by the Big Ten and the Pac-12. You screw with the Rose Bowl, it won't pass. It's that simple.
Any proposal that does not protect the Rose Bowl will never get passed by those two conferences. I've just accepted it and am moving on. Work around it. I don't like it, but that's the world we live in.
Any proposal that does not protect the Rose Bowl will never get passed by those two conferences. I've just accepted it and am moving on. Work around it. I don't like it, but that's the world we live in.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:28 pm to Baloo
Leave the rose out so it can get the remaining big10/pac12 teams.
Use sugar/orange/fiesta rotating for the 4 teams/3 games
I think the pac12 is showing its ready to ditch tradition for $. The big10 did long ago
Use sugar/orange/fiesta rotating for the 4 teams/3 games
I think the pac12 is showing its ready to ditch tradition for $. The big10 did long ago
Posted on 12/5/11 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I think the pac12 is showing its ready to ditch tradition for $. The big10 did long ago
yep
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Leave the rose out so it can get the remaining big10/pac12 teams.
Use sugar/orange/fiesta rotating for the 4 teams/3 games
I think the pac12 is showing its ready to ditch tradition for $. The big10 did long ago
I'd be cool with this idea.
The Rose Bowl would be just fine this season with Stanford in place of Oregon playing against Wisconsin. (Assuming in my four-team playoff scenario that Oregon is the 4th team in as a conference champ in the top 6.)
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:09 pm to LSUBoo
Ok I tweaked my Plus One system to meet the Rose Bowl's standards. Let me know what you guys think.
A) 4 or 5 (Cotton) Bowl Rotation to host BCSNCG. Host site will host 2 Bowl Games (Same as current system)
B) Take the top 3 highest rated BCS Conference Champions and take the highest ranked team left over (At-Large)
C) Top two seeds will never matchup before the BCSNCG.
D) The opponents of the top two seeds will be swapped to prevent regular season rematch or two teams from same conference.
E) Rose Bowl gets choice of Pac12 and Big Ten teams not involved in 4 team playoff.
**If Pac12 and Big Ten Champs both qualify for playoffs and are not the top two seeds, The Rose Bowl can select to host the semifinal matchup.
A) 4 or 5 (Cotton) Bowl Rotation to host BCSNCG. Host site will host 2 Bowl Games (Same as current system)
B) Take the top 3 highest rated BCS Conference Champions and take the highest ranked team left over (At-Large)
C) Top two seeds will never matchup before the BCSNCG.
D) The opponents of the top two seeds will be swapped to prevent regular season rematch or two teams from same conference.
E) Rose Bowl gets choice of Pac12 and Big Ten teams not involved in 4 team playoff.
**If Pac12 and Big Ten Champs both qualify for playoffs and are not the top two seeds, The Rose Bowl can select to host the semifinal matchup.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:09 pm to dgtiger3
The matchups since 2004 using my proposed "plus one"
2011- Sugar Bowl
(1) LSU vs. (3) Oklahoma State
(2) Alabama * vs. (5) Oregon
Left Out: (4)Stanford -lost to Oregon (6)Arkansas – lost to Alabama & LSU (7)Boise State – lost to TCU
Rose Bowl: (4)Stanford vs. (10)Wisconsin (B10 Champ)
2010- Fiesta Bowl
(1)Auburn vs. (5)Wisconsin
(2)Oregon vs. (3)TCU *
Left Out: (4)Stanford – lost to Oregon (6)Ohio State – lost to Wisconsin (7)Oklahoma – lost to Missouri & Texas A&M
Rose Bowl: (4)Stanford vs. (6)Ohio State
2009- Rose Bowl
(1)Alabama vs. (4)TCU *
(2)Texas vs. (3)Cincinnati
Left Out: (5)Florida – lost to Alabama (6)Boise State – undefeated (7)Oregon- lost to Boise State & Stanford
Rose Bowl: (7)Oregon (P10 Champ) vs. (8)Ohio State (B10 Champ)
2008- Orange Bowl
(1)Oklahoma vs. (5)USC
(2)Florida vs. (3)Texas *
Left Out: (4)Alabama – lost to Florida (6)Utah – undefeated (7)Texas Tech – lost to Oklahoma
Rose Bowl: (8)Penn State (B10 Champ) vs. (At-Large)
2007- Sugar Bowl
(1)Ohio State vs. (3) Virginia Tech
(2)LSU vs. (4)Oklahoma
Left Out: (5)Georgia – lost to South Carolina & Tennessee (6)Missouri – lost to Oklahoma (twice)
(7)USC - lost to Stanford & Oregon
Rose Bowl: (7)USC (P10 Champ) vs. (13)Illinois
2006- Fiesta Bowl
(1)Ohio State vs. (5)USC
(2)Florida vs. (3)Michigan *
Left Out: (4)LSU – lost to Auburn & Florida (6)Louisville – lost to Rutgers (7)Wisconsin – lost to Michigan St. & Ohio St.
Rose Bowl: Semifinal Game or (7)Wisconsin vs. At Large
2005- Rose Bowl
(1)USC vs. (4)Ohio State*
(2)Texas vs. (3)Penn State
Left Out: (5)Oregon - lost to USC (6)Notre Dame – lost to Michigan St & USC (7)Georgia – lost to Florida & Auburn
Rose Bowl: Semifinal Game or (5)Oregon vs. At Large
2004- Orange Bowl
(1)USC vs. (4)Texas*
(2)Oklahoma vs. (3)Auburn
Left Out: (5)California – lost to USC (6)Utah – undefeated (7)Georgia – lost to Tennessee & Auburn
Rose Bowl: (5)California vs. (12)Iowa (B10 Champ)
2011- Sugar Bowl
(1) LSU vs. (3) Oklahoma State
(2) Alabama * vs. (5) Oregon
Left Out: (4)Stanford -lost to Oregon (6)Arkansas – lost to Alabama & LSU (7)Boise State – lost to TCU
Rose Bowl: (4)Stanford vs. (10)Wisconsin (B10 Champ)
2010- Fiesta Bowl
(1)Auburn vs. (5)Wisconsin
(2)Oregon vs. (3)TCU *
Left Out: (4)Stanford – lost to Oregon (6)Ohio State – lost to Wisconsin (7)Oklahoma – lost to Missouri & Texas A&M
Rose Bowl: (4)Stanford vs. (6)Ohio State
2009- Rose Bowl
(1)Alabama vs. (4)TCU *
(2)Texas vs. (3)Cincinnati
Left Out: (5)Florida – lost to Alabama (6)Boise State – undefeated (7)Oregon- lost to Boise State & Stanford
Rose Bowl: (7)Oregon (P10 Champ) vs. (8)Ohio State (B10 Champ)
2008- Orange Bowl
(1)Oklahoma vs. (5)USC
(2)Florida vs. (3)Texas *
Left Out: (4)Alabama – lost to Florida (6)Utah – undefeated (7)Texas Tech – lost to Oklahoma
Rose Bowl: (8)Penn State (B10 Champ) vs. (At-Large)
2007- Sugar Bowl
(1)Ohio State vs. (3) Virginia Tech
(2)LSU vs. (4)Oklahoma
Left Out: (5)Georgia – lost to South Carolina & Tennessee (6)Missouri – lost to Oklahoma (twice)
(7)USC - lost to Stanford & Oregon
Rose Bowl: (7)USC (P10 Champ) vs. (13)Illinois
2006- Fiesta Bowl
(1)Ohio State vs. (5)USC
(2)Florida vs. (3)Michigan *
Left Out: (4)LSU – lost to Auburn & Florida (6)Louisville – lost to Rutgers (7)Wisconsin – lost to Michigan St. & Ohio St.
Rose Bowl: Semifinal Game or (7)Wisconsin vs. At Large
2005- Rose Bowl
(1)USC vs. (4)Ohio State*
(2)Texas vs. (3)Penn State
Left Out: (5)Oregon - lost to USC (6)Notre Dame – lost to Michigan St & USC (7)Georgia – lost to Florida & Auburn
Rose Bowl: Semifinal Game or (5)Oregon vs. At Large
2004- Orange Bowl
(1)USC vs. (4)Texas*
(2)Oklahoma vs. (3)Auburn
Left Out: (5)California – lost to USC (6)Utah – undefeated (7)Georgia – lost to Tennessee & Auburn
Rose Bowl: (5)California vs. (12)Iowa (B10 Champ)
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:21 pm to rollthatback
Just do a fking 4 team playoff. It isn't that hard.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:29 pm to ZTiger87
quote:
Just do a fking 4 team playoff. It isn't that hard.
Actually it is, there have been plenty of people (Including the SEC Commisioner) propose a "fking 4 team playoff" to no avail.
There are also many questions around Conference Champs and At Large's and non BCS conference teams.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:30 pm to ZTiger87
quote:
Just do a fking 4 team playoff. It isn't that hard.
when you get conferences and money involved, it is hard
i will just make this statement. much/most of the national media has no real idea that NCAACFB is conference-based. they do not realize that conferences matter, and conferences have ALL of the power
you'd think they would know this after the expansion extravaganza, but they don't (or at least don't argue from this basis on air/paper)
also, maximizing CFB revenue is really important to many athletic departments across the country. the only other way that "Sacred" student athletic competition is allowed to go on in the manner it does, is via CFB (for the major programs). that's just life
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:36 pm to rollthatback
So a 7-5 conference champion could make it before Alabama? How many times were you dropped on your head as an infant?
Being a conference champion is meaningless, if the conference is garbage. See Pac 12 this season. See Big East. See ACC.
The whole concept of HAVING to be conference champion is stupid. It is abundantly clear the top two teams can come from the same conference.
Would you actually bet you life on OK State beating Bama? I wouldn't. I hate Saint Nick and his band of merry Gumptards but they would smash the crap out of OK State.
Being a conference champion is meaningless, if the conference is garbage. See Pac 12 this season. See Big East. See ACC.
The whole concept of HAVING to be conference champion is stupid. It is abundantly clear the top two teams can come from the same conference.
Would you actually bet you life on OK State beating Bama? I wouldn't. I hate Saint Nick and his band of merry Gumptards but they would smash the crap out of OK State.
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