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re: Pitch Count for High School baseball thoughts!
Posted on 4/6/23 at 10:34 am to Martin Blank
Posted on 4/6/23 at 10:34 am to Martin Blank
So, under the LHSAA pitch count rules -
A pitcher can throw 80 pitches on Tuesday night, rest Wed and Thursday and can come back Friday night and throw the 115 pitch limit?
Then he can rest Sat, Sun and Monday and do it again? 80 on Tues, rest Wed and Thursday...etc?
WOW. That's an awful lot.
80 pitches is about 4 innings of work. 12 outs. I mean, on 84 pitches he might could get you 15 outs (5 innings).... if he's cooking, keeps his walks down and has help from his defense.
A pitcher can throw 80 pitches on Tuesday night, rest Wed and Thursday and can come back Friday night and throw the 115 pitch limit?
Then he can rest Sat, Sun and Monday and do it again? 80 on Tues, rest Wed and Thursday...etc?
WOW. That's an awful lot.
80 pitches is about 4 innings of work. 12 outs. I mean, on 84 pitches he might could get you 15 outs (5 innings).... if he's cooking, keeps his walks down and has help from his defense.
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Posted on 4/6/23 at 10:58 am to Pudge 3223
I feel like most state athletic associations have some limits. Don't know where this occurred but there's a good chance it was against the rules.
For example, in Louisiana it is:
1-34 pitches = 0 days rest
35-59 pitches = 1 day rest
60-84 pitches = 2 days rest
85+ pitches = 3 days rest
Alabama is a little stricter:
1-25 = 0 days
26-50 = 1 day
51-75 = 2 days
76+ = 3 days
For example, in Louisiana it is:
1-34 pitches = 0 days rest
35-59 pitches = 1 day rest
60-84 pitches = 2 days rest
85+ pitches = 3 days rest
Alabama is a little stricter:
1-25 = 0 days
26-50 = 1 day
51-75 = 2 days
76+ = 3 days
Posted on 4/6/23 at 11:39 am to wheelz007
By my reading of the rule I think you’re right.
And I agree that’s still pretty bad. MLB PitchSmart guidelines for 17-18 year olds is:
- 0 days rest for 1-30
- 1 day for 31-45
- 2 days for 46-60
- 3 days for 61-80
- 4 days for 81+
That strikes me as far more reasonable.
My uninformed guess is that the small school coaches screamed bloody murder about having to sit a kid, basically for a week, if he throws 16 pitches an inning for 5 innings.
And I agree that’s still pretty bad. MLB PitchSmart guidelines for 17-18 year olds is:
- 0 days rest for 1-30
- 1 day for 31-45
- 2 days for 46-60
- 3 days for 61-80
- 4 days for 81+
That strikes me as far more reasonable.
My uninformed guess is that the small school coaches screamed bloody murder about having to sit a kid, basically for a week, if he throws 16 pitches an inning for 5 innings.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:24 pm to Pudge 3223
Monday started the week over. So it’s legal, but not advised depending on the situation. If this is it for him, then let him get all he wants!!!
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:26 pm to Pudge 3223
They’re 15 and if Braxxton and Brayden want to make it to the bigs one day, they better show out and show that durability. 
Really tho, that’s pretty fricked up
Really tho, that’s pretty fricked up
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:33 pm to HangmanPage1
quote:
Monday started the week over. So it’s legal, but not advised depending on the situation. If this is it for him, then let him get all he wants!!!
That's generally not true anymore. Old pitching rules used to be based on innings and did roll over on Monday. However, most states now use pitch counts and days rest and the day of the week is irrelevant.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 12:38 pm to HangmanPage1
There is not a single syllable in the LHSAA rule book that “start(s) the week over” on a Monday.
The entire rule is based on pitches thrown in a day. Full stop. There are no exceptions. And the rule applies to varsity, JV and 9th grade games.
It’s even drafted specifically enough that it states that the pitch count applies “with the same arm,” in case a coach has the one in 10 million kids who can competently pitch with both arms.
And even if “this is it” for the pitcher, Tommy John Surgery is extremely expensive, unbelievably painful (the surgeon literallt drills holes into the condyle of the bone), and requires an entire calendar year of rehabilitation.
Which the kid goes through. Not the coach who needs the kid in order to pay his mortgage.
The entire rule is based on pitches thrown in a day. Full stop. There are no exceptions. And the rule applies to varsity, JV and 9th grade games.
It’s even drafted specifically enough that it states that the pitch count applies “with the same arm,” in case a coach has the one in 10 million kids who can competently pitch with both arms.
And even if “this is it” for the pitcher, Tommy John Surgery is extremely expensive, unbelievably painful (the surgeon literallt drills holes into the condyle of the bone), and requires an entire calendar year of rehabilitation.
Which the kid goes through. Not the coach who needs the kid in order to pay his mortgage.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 1:03 pm to Pudge 3223
What school? I'd like to see what GC shows.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 2:46 pm to Pudge 3223
quote:
number 1 pitcher 3 straight games and he threw over 200 pitches total over 5 days. 60 on Thursday, 55 on Saturday and then 98 on Monday
Curious how you obtained these pitch counts.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 3:08 pm to Sput
quote:
No, but they had a pitcher that was wanting to blow a kid at the CWS
Luke Heimlich
From this wedding
quote:
As much as we love your kids, if they were not listed on the invite we ask that they do attend unless they are under a year old. Thank you for understanding!
The Knot
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:09 pm to Boudreaux35
quote:
Curious how you obtained these pitch counts.
I saw them on GameChanger. It was 57 on Thursday, 49 Saturday, and 98 on Monday. But after seeing someone post the LHSAA rules it seems like it’s fine by the rules. I personally think it’s bad to do this to any pitcher.
Posted on 4/10/23 at 7:27 pm to Pudge 3223
Update. Kid has now started 5 of the teams last 6 games. Threw 57 pitches this past Saturday and today is at 80 now in the 4th inning. This coach is killing his arm.
Posted on 4/10/23 at 9:26 pm to Stevo
quote:
Stevo
Don’t even waste your time bro, this thread is full of a bunch of dumbasses that know everything although they never played, haven’t lifted a weight in 20+ years and frankly know shite about shoulder and elbow injuries and what causes them.
And OP I think you are full of shite if you are in Louisiana, if it’s true report them.
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:05 pm to danilo
quote:
No, but they had a pitcher that was wanting to blow a kid at the CWS Luke Heimlich From this wedding quote:As much as we love your kids, if they were not listed on the invite we ask that they do attend unless they are under a year old. Thank you for understanding!
That must have been an awkward googling
And yet she still is marrying him anyway
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 12:44 am
Posted on 4/11/23 at 12:39 am to Pudge 3223
The parents should’ve stepped in if they cared.
And they have pitch count rules for a reason, sounds like they’re being broken if true.
Report since his parents won’t.
And they have pitch count rules for a reason, sounds like they’re being broken if true.
Report since his parents won’t.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 1:49 am to Pudge 3223
High school baseball coaches are the worst
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:40 am to Pudge 3223
Watched a high school baseball game recently. Kid went up to 120 in one game. I’m not that big into baseball but that seems like a lot of pitches for one game
Posted on 4/11/23 at 7:26 am to BowDownToLSU
quote:
Watched a high school baseball game recently. Kid went up to 120 in one game. I’m not that big into baseball but that seems like a lot of pitches for one game
115 is pretty normal and is the pitch count limit if im not mistaken, they can finish batter so 120 happens.
happened 30 years ago and happens now and its about the limit they should have.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 10:07 pm to Pudge 3223
Puts the kid and the parents in a horrible spot
The kid doesn’t want to let his team down. And the coach clearly doesn’t care about that kid at all.
So that leaves the parents having to choose between being “crazy little league helicopter parents,” or sit there and watch the coach shred their son’s arm.
The kid doesn’t want to let his team down. And the coach clearly doesn’t care about that kid at all.
So that leaves the parents having to choose between being “crazy little league helicopter parents,” or sit there and watch the coach shred their son’s arm.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 8:00 am to Martin Blank
quote:
Puts the kid and the parents in a horrible spot
The kid doesn’t want to let his team down. And the coach clearly doesn’t care about that kid at all.
So that leaves the parents having to choose between being “crazy little league helicopter parents,” or sit there and watch the coach shred their son’s arm.
If this indeed happened, I’m guessing the parents and coach are trash and oblivious to being a decent human.
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