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re: PGA Tour to merge with LIV Golf
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:42 pm to bamameister
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:42 pm to bamameister
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Just broke the PGA. The governor of LIV Golf is now the executive chairman of the PGA Tour. Norman, with his business model and leverage, created changes on the PGA that have almost doubled purses, shortened the season, created elevated events, and the next season created no cuts on those elevated events.
So he serves no purpose moving forward right?
His money doesn't matter and clearly his vote doesn't matter. So where does he matter moving forward (you know what all this back and forth has been about)?
What Norman did is irrelevant to what he will do. You wanted to argue with a comment I made about it being reported he won't serve a role moving forward, something basically everyone is reporting. This is where you offer an actual rebuttal as to why you think he will and what that role would be. LIV got what they wanted. They didn't need Norman's good graces to broker that deal, clearly. They don't need any financial backing from him either. So you tell me what purpose he serves post-merger.
And Norman didn't do anything but take billions from someone else and start a Tour no one watched but had the financial backing to be a pain in the arse in perpetuity. The bank accounts of the PIF broke the PGA Tour, not Greg Norman
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 2:44 pm
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:44 pm to RedHawk
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I could have done all of that with PIF's money.
Not without Greg Norman and LIV Golf. It did have to exist to create leverage. Enter Greg Norman and Phil Mickelson.
The Saudis just wanted to invest in the PGA years ago. Monahan told them to take a flying leap.
Greg Norman and Phil deserve all the credit for this.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:45 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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He and Tiger and the other hardliners need to push back hard against this and make it clear they won’t play with Saudi money.
Yea......that's not gonna happen
Right or wrong, money wins out
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:45 pm to bamameister
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Greg Norman and Phil deserve all the credit for this.
Greg Norman and Phil Mickelson were handsomely paid tools for larger goals of an organization that has dipped its wick into professional sports all over the globe
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:45 pm to RedHawk
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I could have done all of that with PIF's money.
Then why didn't you?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:48 pm to lsufball19
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Greg Norman and Phil Mickelson were handsomely paid tools
Would we be here discussing this merger without their actions?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:48 pm to RedHawk
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Out of all of my golf buddies, you are the first person I've heard say they thought it was a "fun" watch. My golf buddies couldn't stand their coverage and these are guys that were rooting for it to take off.
Ok. I didn’t poll the guys at the club. But I did enjoy a few weeks ago when the pga tourney was done that I had another couple hours of golf to watch. It was hard to keep up (I wasn’t a fan of the shotgun start) but it was still more golf. And I enjoyed the hell out of it.
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I get and have always gotten more golf than I can watch without LIV. I do have other things I enjoy to do.
Sitting on the patio with my wife and watching sports is one of my favorite places. LIV provided
more opportunity for that. I hope it sticks around maybe for off weeks or instead of the tour tournies during the WGC events etc. I think it could be a really cool addition, especially if all the pros have access without being banned.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:48 pm to lsufball19
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Greg Norman and Phil Mickelson were handsomely paid tools for larger goals of an organization that has dipped its wick into professional sports all over the globe
Now look at all the professional golfers who are getting filthy rich from real free agency. Including Rory. Phil Mickelson has this very vision about a year ago.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:52 pm to lsufball19
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The bank accounts of the PIF broke the PGA Tour, not Greg Norman
I still think Norman is still quite pleased.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:53 pm to bamameister
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Phil Mickelson has this very vision about a year ago.
Phil had this vision or he was paid hundred of millions of dollars by PIF to promote the idea of LIV to other PGA Tour players?
If you think Phil Mickelson was the brains behind LIV, el oh el.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:53 pm to BBONDS25
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I still think Norman is still quite pleased.
He made a lot of money, too
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:58 pm to lsufball19
Listening to a couple of my normal podcasts, and they have golf guys on and the repeated line I keep hearing from 2 or 3 different dudes...they're talking about Rory has really changed his tune out of nowhere in the past few weeks on Liv/Saudis.
Coincidence...maybe. But definitely makes you wonder if Rory knew this was coming so he decided to change his stance to soften the blow that was coming.
Coincidence...maybe. But definitely makes you wonder if Rory knew this was coming so he decided to change his stance to soften the blow that was coming.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:59 pm to lsufball19
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Phil had this vision or he was paid hundred of millions of dollars by PIF to promote LIV to other PGA Tour players?
If you think Phil Mickelson was the brains behind LIV, el oh el.
I think we all know what Phil's role was and is. He brought brand names to LIV. He created pressure on the PGA to immediately increase the purses before everyone on the PGA took off for the promised land.
The hypocritical players on the PGA who refuse to acknowledge the LIV leverage to this day, leverage that has totally transformed the PGA before this merger are just bums.
The only reason Monahan could sell his bill of goods, with all of his dancing morality, was because he had so many sheep in the pen. With one azz, Rory McIlroy.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:01 pm to shel311
quote:Find new guys
they're talking about Rory has really changed his tune out of nowhere in the past few weeks on Liv/Saudis.
This is from July of 2022
I know you want it to be true, but Rory has never cared about the Saudi money angle
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:01 pm to bamameister
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Greg Norman and Phil deserve all the credit for this.
You mean Blame!
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:02 pm to lsufball19
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He made a lot of money, too
I’m sure. It isn’t a complete victory. Wouldn’t it be amazing if the Saudis named him commish of PGA. That would be complete victory. Probably a little too much to ask.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:05 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Why would that be amazing? Can’t imagine someone as neutral as yourself likes Norman….
Wouldn’t it be amazing if the Saudis named him commish of PGA.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:06 pm to lsufball19
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He made a lot of money, too
Speaking of money, if we want to get to the crux of the issue, this is a good place to start. It is a chart from 2019 showing income distribution by the PGA Tour. It is easy to see how something like this would piss off the players themselves and have them question the salaries of what is basically Tour administration. Monahan being the second highest paid Tour employee is shocking. This would be the equivalent of Roger Godell making more money than all but one NFL TEAM in a given season.
Seeing Dustin Johnson behind two PGA executives in annual income is rather interesting. Of course, this only represents Tour winnings and not player sponsorship money.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:07 pm to lsupride87
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I know you want it to be true, but Rory has never cared about the Saudi money angle
He just stated he still hates LIV, and will always hate LIV. Then he does his verbal hocus pocus about the difference between PIF money and LIV. Hell of a dance.
Makes a guy wonder what Rory still feels about "blood money" and that "9-11" moral high ground that he was dying on.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:09 pm to lsupride87
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Why would that be amazing? Can’t imagine someone as neutral as yourself likes Norman….
I don’t dislike him. Have a couple of his clothing company’s shirts.
I meant it would be amazing for Norman if he were to be named commish.
Also. I never said I was neutral. I looked watching liv. I hope some iteration of it sticks around.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 3:11 pm
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