re: PGA Tour disciplines golfers 'who have decided to turn their backs' on PGA for LIV

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But if you say everyone gets awarded points, then you have an entire “tour” setup where people just keep getting points for showing up

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Are you under the impression this doesn't already happen?

And not everyone gets points in all events based on strength of field. So you have no arguement.

There's a Limited limited field events that give everyone points and full field events that don't.

You may talk out of you arse more than any poster on this site... And this site included posters like RogerTheShrubber

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These arguments are always so dumb. Just because politicians do dirty things doesn't make it right. Nor does it excuse DJ and others from accepting money from a guy who just dismembered a journalist for a piece he wrote. Phil already has been quoted as calling the guys running the LIV Tour monsters and horrible, scary people, yet he has no problem getting into bed with them for a paycheck. So I guess your point is that these golfers are no better than politicians? That isn't a glowing endorsement. I think most people don't exactly believe politicians are the most noble and moral people on the planet, quite the opposite

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My point was a direct response to your saying they all dodged the human rights issue. 1) of course they did, what in the world could they possibly say? 2) I don’t want Dustin Johnson being the spokesman for my neighborhood HOA, much less the nuanced hypocrices of our geo-political relationships with Saudi Arabia, and 3) there’s probably some form of human rights indignities (at the very least) with all the main PGA Tour sponsors if you dig down far enough. I mean, Nike is a pretty prominent sponsor and their track record on human rights isn’t the most stellar.

If you want this battle to be fought in the public eye, maybe Jay Monohan should address these ethical issues up front instead of handing out suspension spankings. I’m sure he’s much more qualified to speak on it than dudes that have mainly just been hitting little white balls 10+ hours a day for most of their lives. If he thinks this is threatening the tour and it’s his job to save it, speak up about why they really shouldn’t be playing. Don’t leave it up to Dustin Johnson or Phil Mickelson or whomever.

You seem to be very emotionally invested in this. If it’s truly an ethical issue for you, I truly applaud your passion. Perhaps I’m just jaded. And that may be a bad thing. If it’s a concern over the tour dissolving, I share it. I love golf, and I love the PGA Tour events. But even though they do have multiple tours they run, the PGA Tour was once the Professional Golfers Association of AMERICA. And with how much golf has exploded internationally—that’s easy to see on any tournament leaderboard—in combination with how small the world has gotten and how much money there is in the sport, it was only a matter of time before somebody tried something like this with the backing of serious money players.

The PGA was gonna have to adapt eventually to keep its stars. I think the tv contracts may be enough to at least hold this particular threat at bay, though. Hard to grow new stars when they’re not playing on U.S. network tv every week. But what if another, less offensive entity backs another iteration? What’s the plan?

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My point was a direct response to your saying they all dodged the human rights issue. 1) of course they did, what in the world could they possibly say? 2) I don’t want Dustin Johnson being the spokesman for my neighborhood HOA, much less the nuanced hypocrices of our geo-political relationships with Saudi Arabia, and 3) there’s probably some form of human rights indignities (at the very least) with all the main PGA Tour sponsors if you dig down far enough. I mean, Nike is a pretty prominent sponsor and their track record on human rights isn’t the most stellar.

If you want this battle to be fought in the public eye, maybe Jay Monohan should address these ethical issues up front instead of handing out suspension spankings. I’m sure he’s much more qualified to speak on it than dudes that have mainly just been hitting little white balls 10+ hours a day for most of their lives. If he thinks this is threatening the tour and it’s his job to save it, speak up about why they really shouldn’t be playing. Don’t leave it up to Dustin Johnson or Phil Mickelson or whomever.

You seem to be very emotionally invested in this. If it’s truly an ethical issue for you, I truly applaud your passion. Perhaps I’m just jaded. And that may be a bad thing. If it’s a concern over the tour dissolving, I share it. I love golf, and I love the PGA Tour events. But even though they do have multiple tours they run, the PGA Tour was once the Professional Golfers Association of AMERICA. And with how much golf has exploded internationally—that’s easy to see on any tournament leaderboard—in combination with how small the world has gotten and how much money there is in the sport, it was only a matter of time before somebody tried something like this with the backing of serious money players.

The PGA was gonna have to adapt eventually to keep its stars. I think the tv contracts may be enough to at least hold this particular threat at bay, though. Hard to grow new stars when they’re not playing on U.S. network tv every week. But what if another, less offensive entity backs another iteration? What’s the plan?

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The biggest contention for me isn't the Saudis (though, it doesn't help), its that the money they are playing with really isn't fair to the PGA Tour or any other golf entity that wanted to start their own tour. If they were getting into this to at least break even or turn a small profit, I would say go for it and see how far they could get.

Like I said, give LIV the 4 points those 54 hole tournaments have

Here is a thought for those that make fun of people saying they are worried about the future of golf:

What the frick is LIVs plans for devoloping players? What yours will they have like korn ferry, what about Q school? Huh? What is their development for the future besides just huge payouts to guys that have already been developed?

It’s a legit point that isn’t sanctimonious at all.

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Asian Tour, next question.

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Awesome. What a great moment for the future of American golf. I am so on board for LIV NOW!!!

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and now we're okay with OWGR awarding 4pts?

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Awesome. What a great moment for the future of American golf. I am so on board for LIV NOW!!!

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You can not like it, shite I don't, but 5 seconds ago you didn't even know that's how it worked because you are continuing to talk out of your arse with misinformation or shite you just completely made up to try to make your point.

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So to answer my question, they don’t give frick all about actually developing the future of golf

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Your question was about developing players.

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What the frick is LIVs plans for devoloping players? What yours will they have like korn ferry, what about Q school? Huh? What is their development for the future besides just huge payouts to guys that have already been developed?

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But if it has as similar SOF as RBC and RBC 48th place gets points, why wouldn't Liv 48th place get points?

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SOF isn't the only input for points and like I, said it probably won't be totally equitable.

But you can show up to a WGC now, literally shoot 100 everyday and get points. This is no different.