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re: Perfect Case in this Article for Why Joe Paterno should resign/be fired
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:16 pm to Dorothy
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:16 pm to Dorothy
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So what are people in your part of the world saying about this? I know everyone is disgusted with Sandusky, but are PSU fans defending Paterno, Curley & Schutlz?
There is a lot of shock and awe going on right now. People are pissed off and angry that a guy who is considered here to be one of our greatest defensive coaches EVER ran around under the "charity foundation for youth" guise to do this to innocent kids. It's just hard to even comprehend at this point.
No one here is excusing anyone personally for this situation but a lot of people I've talked to are under the assumption that Joe did handle it the way he should have ONLY because the grand jury didn't charge him like they did Curley and Schultz. Schultz was head of campus police at that time I believe so he should've handled it much more seriously than he did.
It's a very serious situation and I think so far the university is doing the right thing but it's too early for me to really condemn anyone (of course Sandusky if true should never be allowed to see the light of day period. It's flat out disgusting and unforgivable if true.)
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:17 pm to Lester Earl
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that doesn't mean he knowingly, as you say, 'let him continue his actions'.
Pedophiles do not quit. And they don't start at 55 years old. This is only the tip of the ice berg.
No way JoePa can survive this shite storm!
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:17 pm to TreyAnastasio
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No, that's what happened. And it wasn't just Joepa that let it happen, The AD's office and Presidents office are also to blame here.
That is what happened indirectly. To say they had direct knowledge this was ongoing and did nothing about it is crazy. At least based off the grand jury report, which is all we have at this point.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:17 pm to hendersonshands
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Joe Paterno should have gone to the police but people should really be pissed at Sandusky here. He's the fricking slimeball
Everybody's pissed at Sandusky. That's a given.
The real issue regards who is responsible for the cover-up. I think that it's more than just the AD and the SVP at Penn State. Others, apparently, do not.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:18 pm to Sophandros
The lady conducting this press conference just said JoePa was required to report it to administration and followed the statute.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:18 pm to Nittany Lion
You watching the AG's press conference?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:18 pm to LSUPHILLY72
I agree with the artcile in the OP. There is no one higher up than JoePa. While he may have a boss on paper, he gets anything he wants. Screw the legal issue. I see this as a moral issue. JoePa let this guy have an overnight camp for 7 years AFTER hearing about the incident. JoePa is the one man on campus that could have stopped this. If all of this is true... he is a coward for letting this shite take place.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:19 pm to Lester Earl
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That is what happened indirectly. To say they had direct knowledge this was ongoing and did nothing about it is crazy. At least based off the grand jury report, which is all we have at this point.
directly, indirectly, makes no difference. It happened. They had an opportunity to nip it in the bud in 99, but chose to ignore it. Now its a huge problem, and everyone with a high profile job at PSU is going to pay for it.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:20 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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No way JoePa can survive this shite storm!
I agree.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:20 pm to Sophandros
I haven't really seen many people making a big deal about Sandusky being a fricking creep. It just seems like everyone went right to JoePa.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:20 pm to SprintFun
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Joe is a football coach. He's not an administrator. It's not in his job description to perform a citizen's arrest on the guy. He did what is required of him.
Blown away that anyone with a conscious would think this way. As an employee, possibly. As a human being, hell f'king no.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:20 pm to Sophandros
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What he and others are saying is that JoePa is not innocent in this matter and he shares some of the culpability in the cover-up.
He should be slapped on the wrist, no doubt. But at this point he is taking too much heat because of his iconic status.
You have the first hand witnesses to blame, first and foremost. Then you have Joe Pa's higher ups to blame. At this point Jo Pa is 3rd in this race. A middle man of sorts.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:20 pm to JG77056
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If he tried to just keep it quiet that's one thing, but he told the AD.
The coincidental "retirement" at age 55 implies that he tried to keep it quiet and to distance himself.
NOT calling the police is keeping it quiet.
And don't be surprised if, during his testimony, the AD reveals that he and JoePa agreed to cover this up to try to save JoePa's old friend.
This is a really ugly and really sad situation.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:21 pm to dr smartass phd
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You watching the AG's press conference?
At work right now but I will try to find it online.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:21 pm to Lester Earl
sorry earl but when a guy is caught blowing a child within your facilities at the very least you disassociate yourself from him and bar him from the facilities. Joe Pa appeared to do neither.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:21 pm to ashy larry
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I agree with the artcile in the OP. There is no one higher up than JoePa. While he may have a boss on paper, he gets anything he wants. Screw the legal issue. I see this as a moral issue. JoePa let this guy have an overnight camp for 7 years AFTER hearing about the incident. JoePa is the one man on campus that could have stopped this. If all of this is true... he is a coward for letting this shite take place
A fricking men. The people defending him in this case are disgusting. Im embarrassed as a human.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:21 pm to Sophandros
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How is calling the police when you learn of a child getting raped a "broad reach"?
Trying to equate a poster saying being a head football coach at a university is a busy job to him saying that Penn state football is more important than the welfare of kids is a broad reach.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:22 pm to TreyAnastasio
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directly, indirectly, makes no difference. It happened. They had an opportunity to nip it in the bud in 99, but chose to ignore it. Now its a huge problem, and everyone with a high profile job at PSU is going to pay for it.
That's great and all, but now you are just getting away from your original ignorant statement that he "knowingly let this go on".
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:22 pm to Nittany Lion
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Schultz was head of campus police at that time I believe so he should've handled it much more seriously than he did.
Oh, I didn't see that mentioned anywhere. Wow then.
ETA: So if this Schultz guy was in fact part of the police department, then the police were contacted? They just instead of doing something about it covered it up?
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:23 pm to TreyAnastasio
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The people defending him in this case are disgusting.
You're disgusting.
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