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Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:37 pm to Lester Earl
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Because he is the face of the program he is responsible. Hes the boss, and anything that goes on under him is his responsibility.
He's not the boss. Someone pays him. Someone can fire him. Someone is there to watch what he does. Just so happens they were corrupt as shite.
Alabama fans have an over-inflated perception of what a football coach is...they think he's Governor/Chancellor/God/Judge and Jury.
This creep wasn't on Paterno's staff in 2002.
Paterno could have done more but to act like whatever he says is the word of law in the State of Pennsylvania is asinine.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:37 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Because he is the face of the program he is responsible. Hes the boss, and anything that goes on under him is his responsibility.
Just because he is "the boss" (which he isn't, btw, but whatever) doesn't mean he knows all. Is he responsible for it? To a large degree, I believe so. But you are acting like JoePa brought in Sandusky and was like "Jerry, dude...you gotta stop fricking the kids here..you're gonna get me in trouble," when in actuality, you have no idea how involved or uninvolved JP was in this.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:38 pm to TreyAnastasio
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JP not being charged is huge for his defense, and I agree with that.
That doesn't mean what he did is right, and it doesn't mean he shouldn't be fired. All of the people defending him are getting hung up on that.
Yep, and that's our point here.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:38 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Ya, those morals I have a hard to get around.
I'm not bashing your morals. I'm referencing your inability to think logically and follow conversation.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So you are saying JoPa is stupid and this could be his defense against claims he handled this information incorrectly?
I am saying you develop a sense of trust once you know someone for a long period of time.
And Ive said before that people keep laughing about, but I think Joe Pa's age does not have his brain as sharp as people are giving him credit for. He's not stupid, but as a senior citizen he may just not give a shite, truthfully. As bad as that seems.
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Not what is happening. JoPa says he knew.
yeah, he knew. He found out at night, according to the report, and the next morning the Administrators were meeting in his office.
He didnt know it was ongoing, as people keep alluding to
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What I know is what JoPa said himself. Which is what i am basing of this upon. The rest just backs up what he said.
What did he say exactly?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:38 pm to CocomoLSU
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when in actuality, you have no idea how involved or uninvolved JP was in this.
Hasn't he made a statement in which he discussed his involvement?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:40 pm to Lester Earl
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Yet people read all this bullshite and Joe Pa's face pops in their head. Automatically they become enraged with him. He is the face of the program for 4 decades. He must be responsible!!!!!!
Joe made his buddy Jerry Sandusky, the child rapist retire at age 55 due to these allegations and yet still allowed him to have access to the shower facilities he used to prey on children. In fact he was still allowed to bring children to the football facilities. In fact as reported earlier, he was still working out in the facilities as late as last week. Yet nothing was ever mentioned about the reasons why he was made to retire in the first place and still was treated like a king around the football facility. I guess Joe never got around to those details because he was too busy game planning.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:40 pm to Lester Earl
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So you would me more mad at Joe Pa and not the actual people that witnessed these acts first hand?
Like I said, people are putting Joe Pa on a pedestal because of who he is.
what the frick kind of cop out is this?
He's guilty of a horrible coverup of a despicable act. He should be fired with no pomp and circumstance.
I DO NOT care that he passed the info to 'higher ups'. If you can honestly sit here and say that if someone beneath you came and told you that one of your assistants was anally raping a child in your bathroom and you would only then pass that info to your boss, then you're a sick human being imo.
How the frick do you hear something like that, and then continue to let that person come around your facility as much as he pleases? How does the sight of him not sicken you? This is so open and shut imo.
Also, McQueary? Something's up there. How the frick does he SEE this happen, and then realize that appropriate actions aren't being taken, and then CONTINUE to work there, where Sandusky is still allowed. That stinks to high heavens as well.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:40 pm to CocomoLSU
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But you are acting like JoePa brought in Sandusky and was like "Jerry, dude...you gotta stop fricking the kids here..you're gonna get me in trouble," when in actuality, you have no idea how involved or uninvolved JP was in this.
No, Im acting like he knew about it and didnt do enough to stop it. The only thing he, or anyone else, could have done to be in the right here is call the cops. Plain and simple.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:41 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:If you don't know you should probably stop defending him.
What did he say exactly?
He acknowledged that his GA told him he witnessed inappropriate sexual conduct between Sandusky and a 10 year old in the PSU locker room shower. He claims not to have been told any details, which I highly doubt, but what he admitted to knowing is enough for him to catch hell for not making sure the authorities were involved.
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:42 pm to CocomoLSU
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He knew and he chose to be quiet. Let go of the man's legend cause at the end of the day he is just a man who chose silence over action and now hides behind "I did it right".
Well I'm glad you know exactly what happened.
You should clearly go call the DA and let them know what you know...would save them an actual investigation. After all, it's your moral obligation.
Interesting you have an issue with my statement about Joe knowing yet it is OK for you to make the following?
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I'm sure he's been doing that kinda shite for a long time, and it sucks that he used his position and access to bribe the kids (taking them to games, tailgates, buying them shite, etc.).
GTFO
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:42 pm to Lester Earl
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I am saying you develop a sense of trust once you know someone for a long period of time.
Maybe. I have long term friends and I wouldn't really have a problem going to authorities if I had pretty conclusive evidence something like this occurred. As you get older you also learn no one is exempt from deviant behavior.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you saying he may not have known? JoPa admitted he did know of the allegations.
I would hope he knew of the allegations...that's difficult to hide I imagine. But they were allegations. As I've said, JP is definitely to blame for some of this (I put him in the "Why the hell would you still let him come around" group). But people are acting like, and even saying specifically, that JP's actions were equal to Sandusky's, which is ridiculous IMO.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:44 pm to TreyAnastasio
I don't understand why people don't want JoPa fired. He needs to resign. I don't believe he deserves more than that but he should be representing the university any longer.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:44 pm to LfcSU3520
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He's guilty of a horrible coverup of a despicable act. He should be fired with no pomp and circumstance.
It appears he is involved in the coverup, to what degree is unknown. What is known is he knew and took actions that led many to question whether he should be held accountable for that information.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:45 pm to bisonduck
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He needs to resign. I don't believe he deserves more than that but he should be representing the university any longer.
Definitely.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:45 pm to TreyAnastasio
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No, Im acting like he knew about it and didnt do enough to stop it. The only thing he, or anyone else, could have done to be in the right here is call the cops. Plain and simple.
this is so clear cut to me that it makes my head spin.
I would expect the cops would have calls from everyone involved in this story minus Sandusky. If for nothing else, than to clear their conscience of it and get it out of their hands.
Joe Paterno gave Grand Jury testimony about this (that's serious stuff btw) and yes Sandusky is STILL allowed on campus. Ummm?
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:46 pm to CocomoLSU
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But people are acting like, and even saying specifically, that JP's actions were equal to Sandusky's, which is ridiculous IMO.
I dont think anyone is saying that
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