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Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:28 pm to CocomoLSU
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You even say yourself "if what we know is true." That's my point...you don't. All it says in that report about JoePa is this:
What I know is what JoPa said himself. Which is what i am basing of this upon. The rest just backs up what he said.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:29 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Jerry Sandusky was evidently living a lie, but there were all sorts of little lies that covered up the big one. Paterno told himself -- still tells himself, apparently -- that as long as he reported the incident to Curley, he had done enough. Administrators apparently decided if Sandusky was no longer allowed to bring children on campus, they had done enough.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:30 pm to PuntBamaPunt
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so there are three instances when something could have been done by the college, and wasn't?
I'm confused by that too. Regardless of who all knew or didn't know, SOMEONE knew, and allowed that shite to happen over and over. That's what doesn't make sense the most...if you know that you have a shady person connected to your university/program, and you know that something happened (once), why wouldn't you sever all ties to him right there? Even if you plan to try to cover it up, you at least seemingly protect yourself from it happening again. It's stupid even from a criminal standpoint.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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JoPa isn't stupid enough to believe it wouldn't happen again.
That is not true. I heard that they weren't friends, but according to people on here they were indeed friends.
Someone he coached with for 30 years.
You are telling me that after a 30 year relationship/friendship that he wouldnt be somewhat in denial over all this?
I have a an ex-friend that got busted in one of those internet sex stings for underage kids. At first I didnt know what to really think; he was a good guy, and upstanding citizen. Had a college degree, good job, etc etc. A guy that wouldnt harm a fly. I was taken aback by hearing this news, and didnt want to believe it. I went on for a year or 2 interacting with this guy like we had before. I had just thought it was a misunderstanding. that is how it was always played off.
Next thing I know, he was busted a 2nd time. I haven't talked to him since. It's not far fetched for me to tell you that you may interact daily with a child molester; someone that you wouldnt even consider a close friend; yet you probably wouldnt even suspect anything.
My point is, it is not as black and white as you seem. Just because you read something and it is fresh in your head, doesn't mean you should judge every thing based on that. It's so easy to do in retrospect, and people say things on impulse that really do not make sense.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:31 pm to Lester Earl
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It only doesn't seem acceptable because you probably just read this grand jury report of descriptive allegations of a man molesting little boys, and it made you mad. And you ask yourself how it could have been prevented, and one of the answers is for Joe Pa to say something to police rather than bring it up to people that pay him.
But going back in time, there was nothing wrong with what he did regarding that specific matter.
Agreed.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:31 pm to Lester Earl
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McQueary should have stopped what was going on and called the cops on the spot.
This is true and totally agree the GA should have laid that old man out, got the kid to safety, and called the police. He didn't. He then goes to Joe and now Joe has the responsibility to protect the kids camping on school grounds. He chose protecting reputation of the school and himself over defending a little boy. Joe is not the only one responsible, but he has plenty to be held accountable for.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
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I agree. McQueary should have stopped what was going on and called the cops on the spot.
on this I agree with you. I blame him even more than Paterno because if I saw this happening right in front of my eyes You better believe I would have beaten that mans arse on the spot and gotten that kid out of there and called the cops and the kids parents before the old man had his clothes back on.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
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That is not true. I heard that they weren't friends, but according to people on here they were indeed friends.
Someone he coached with for 30 years.
You are telling me that after a 30 year relationship/friendship that he wouldnt be somewhat in denial over all this?
The "story" is they were no longer friends after 98. So you are saying JoPa is stupid and this could be his defense against claims he handled this information incorrectly?
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My point is, it is not as black and white as you seem. Just because you read something and it is fresh in your head, doesn't mean you should judge every thing based on that. It's so easy to do in retrospect, and people say things on impulse that really do not make sense.
Not what is happening. JoPa says he knew.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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or inactivity caused some blame to be focused on him?
Yes, I do. I've said as such.
I see different tiers of blame here. Joe Pa would be in the bottom tier. He is just sort of stuck in the middle between McQueary, who should have done something on the spot, and Penn St administrators who he brought the problem too and choose to do nothing about.
He's not totally innocent. But his face is being put out there like its the damn Bat Signal.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:32 pm to CocomoLSU
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People saying JP should've called the cops are acting like he did nothing, when in fact it appears that he reported the situation to his superiors and let them handle it. Thus why the "cover-up" is on them and not JP (at this point).
So JoePa knew this when he was allowing Sandusky to bring Victim 1 to his pre-season practices with little boys and allowing him to groom them.
I would think this was not a surprise to JoePa in 2002 because he already fired Sandusky for showering with a young boy in 1998.
JoePa was not charged because he did the right thing in 2002 by telling his superiors. But please justify the hiring and allowing the pedophile to continue to groom and rape young boys at his athletic complex....and conduct camps for young boys using Penn State's name up until 2009....knowing this guy rapes boys.
frick JoePa
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:33 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Because he is the face of the program he is responsible. Hes the boss, and anything that goes on under him is his responsibility.
He's not the boss. Someone pays him. Someone can fire him. Someone is there to watch what he does. Just so happens they were corrupt as shite.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
quote:I have a feeling we haven't and won't get the full story about the conversations that occurred between these parties.
Joe Pa would be in the bottom tier. He is just sort of stuck in the middle between McQueary, who should have done something on the spot, and Penn St administrators who he brought the problem too and choose to do nothing about.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
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I agree. McQueary should have stopped what was going on and called the cops on the spot. This isnt a Joe Pa problem. You have a first hand witness who not only does not interject at the locker room, he doesn't even call the cops right after.
If McQueary should have called the cops, JP should have called the cops, b/c obviously JP didn't think he was lying. You don't employ a guy who falsely accuses your long-time friend of molesting children.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:34 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Next thing I know, he was busted a 2nd time. I haven't talked to him since.
So after the initial allegations in '98 shouldn't the GA witnessing the abuse in '02 have been enough to send Paterno the message ?
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:35 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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He knew and he chose to be quiet. Let go of the man's legend cause at the end of the day he is just a man who chose silence over action and now hides behind "I did it right".
Well I'm glad you know exactly what happened.
You should clearly go call the DA and let them know what you know...would save them an actual investigation. After all, it's your moral obligation.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:35 pm to Lester Earl
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He's not totally innocent. But his face is being put out there like its the damn Bat Signal.
Well, he is the face of the program and that is going to happen. Some of the disdain for him is earned, but not because of that.
He mad a bad choice, and that choice is what people are focusing on.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:35 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:DA has already done its investigation.
You should clearly go call the DA and let them know what you know...would save them an actual investigation. After all, it's your moral obligation.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:35 pm to Lester Earl
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He's not the boss. Someone pays him. Someone can fire him. Someone is there to watch what he does. Just so happens they were corrupt as shite.
If there really was someone to fire him it would have happened a while ago because he is old as shite. Paterno was the boss.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The "story" is they were no longer friends after 98.
Hmmmmmm and if true why? Yet Sandusky has full access to team weightlifting facility right up until last week? People need to stop defending Joe because they don't want his legacy tainted.
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