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re: Perfect Case in this Article for Why Joe Paterno should resign/be fired

Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:18 pm to

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People who do this kind of shite are highly compulsive. If you don't do anything you are a secondary offender.




From attending counseling as one of three "anchors" with my friend, I know this is true.
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
Member since Nov 2010
10070 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:19 pm to
so there are three instances when something could have been done by the college, and wasn't?

98 - mom calls and notifies of shower
?? - janitor witness shower incident, tells his/her boss and it doesn't go any further
02 - mcqueary incident

Unbelievable.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285087 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:20 pm to
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He did know Lester. He did know.




He knew of allegations. He didn't know Sandusky was continually butt fricking blowing and fondling little boys in his home basement or in the locker room after hours.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:20 pm to
PSU really, really dropped the ball on this one.
Posted by VolsFan24
Member since Jun 2011
2153 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:20 pm to
this cat is a sick frick, that will get whats comming to him. But i honestly dont believe paterno knew "this kind of shite" was what was going on and didn't say nothing. he doesn't seem like the kind of person, so just like i cant assume he isn't that type of person, no one else should assume he is and knew what was going on and covered it up. Let the courts do their job and we wait and see
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:22 pm to
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He knew of allegations. He didn't know Sandusky was continually butt fricking blowing and fondling little boys in his home basement or in the locker room after hours.


If an old man is showering with a 10 year old kid you call the cops! Why in the hell would a fricking 58 year old man be showering with a kid after hours in an empty university locker room? People - wake the frick up!
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 3:24 pm
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54691 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

But i honestly dont believe paterno knew "this kind of shite" was what was going on and didn't say nothing. he doesn't seem like the kind of person, so just like i cant assume he isn't that type of person, no one else should assume he is and knew what was going on and covered it up. Let the courts do their job and we wait and see
Have you read the grand jury;s finding of facts? Paterno acknowledged that he was told about a 10 year old being raped in the locker room shower. He claims that the GA that told him was too distraught to relay the details and only knew that something inappropriate had been witnessed, but that he told his superiors and was told it was being handled.

Choose to believe what you want, but in my mind, Joe Pa absolutely knew about at least one incident and almost certainly 2 or 3 at a minimum.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285087 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:23 pm to
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We disagree. Passing the buck isn't acceptable, which it appears JoPa did. This was WAY too important to pass on.




It only doesn't seem acceptable because you probably just read this grand jury report of descriptive allegations of a man molesting little boys, and it made you mad. And you ask yourself how it could have been prevented, and one of the answers is for Joe Pa to say something to police rather than bring it up to people that pay him.

But going back in time, there was nothing wrong with what he did regarding that specific matter.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
107222 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Joe is a football coach. He's not an administrator. It's not in his job description to perform a citizen's arrest on the guy. He did what is required of him.



IDIOT
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
153826 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:24 pm to
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I don't think so. In fact, I think the opposite is true. If what we know is true, Paterno dropped the ball. If you speculate something else happened and Paterno may have done more. well...that is the definition of "pure speculation."

You even say yourself "if what we know is true." That's my point...you don't. All it says in that report about JoePa is this:



GA sees something, gets in touch with JP, who then puts the GA in touch with his superiors. The superiors meet with the GA and it proceeds from there. JoePa wasn't even at the meeting with the GA and the AD (and nor should he have been at that initial point).

People saying JP should've called the cops are acting like he did nothing, when in fact it appears that he reported the situation to his superiors and let them handle it. Thus why the "cover-up" is on them and not JP (at this point).

And keep in mind that all of those 23 pages aren't proven facts yet. Of course, it's likely to be true or mostly true, but at this point, it's statements that need to be proven true. And nothing in there points to JP being "guilty" of anything.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:24 pm to
quote:


He knew of allegations. He didn't know Sandusky was continually butt fricking blowing and fondling little boys in his home basement or in the locker room after hours.


Which he did noting to stop.
JoPa isn't stupid enough to believe it wouldn't happen again.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
105578 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

so there are three instances when something could have been done by the college, and wasn't?


Hey now, Joe Pa is just a middle manager, it wasn't his place to stick his nose in somebody else's business. one of his employees tells him "hey corch Paterno, I saw our DC doing some very disturbing stuff to a 10 year old in a shower in the football building after hours". Poor coach was so overworked on game planning and recruiting in MARCH that he didn't have time to ascertain the details of the "disturbing stuff our DC did to a 10 year old boy in the shower in our football building after hours", that he tells the employee, "hey now you seem very distraught about what you saw. I'll tell my boss about it. just hold tight for while until we get our ducks in a row. Got some film to breakdown but I'll get back to you. Say, son, I have always felt you could possibly be a head coach one day... you want to be a head coach one day don't you son? It would be a shame for you to get off on the wrong path here..."
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
84580 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

finding of facts?


quote:

Paterno acknowledged that he was told about a 10 year old being raped in the locker room shower.


lol, read again.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285087 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

If an old man is showering with a 10 year old kid you call the cops! Why in the hell would a fricking 58 year old man be showering with a kid after hours in an empty university locker room? People - wake the frick up!



I agree. McQueary should have stopped what was going on and called the cops on the spot. This isnt a Joe Pa problem. You have a first hand witness who not only does not interject at the locker room, he doesn't even call the cops right after.

Yet people read all this bullshite and Joe Pa's face pops in their head. Automatically they become enraged with him. He is the face of the program for 4 decades. He must be responsible!!!!!!

how stupid can people be, I do not know.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
107222 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

But i honestly dont believe paterno knew "this kind of shite" was what was going on and didn't say nothing.



He knew and he chose to be quiet. Let go of the man's legend cause at the end of the day he is just a man who chose silence over action and now hides behind "I did it right".
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
153826 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Seriously brah? It was mocking the person above me who said that the only people who are out to get Joepa are people from b10 country because of football. Calm down.

My bad. It's hard to tell a difference between your fake, jokey bullshite and your serious bullshite.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:27 pm to
quote:



It only doesn't seem acceptable because you probably just read this grand jury report of descriptive allegations of a man molesting little boys, and it made you mad.



Wrong. I haven't even read that as of yet. Just going by the press conference and what I have heard.

quote:

And you ask yourself how it could have been prevented, and one of the answers is for Joe Pa to say something to police rather than bring it up to people that pay him.




Its the only answer. The controversy surrounding JoPa right now is deserved. Do you not agree that his own actions, or inactivity caused some blame to be focused on him?
Posted by TreyAnastasio
Bitch I'm From Cleveland
Member since Dec 2010
46759 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Yet people read all this bullshite and Joe Pa's face pops in their head. Automatically they become enraged with him. He is the face of the program for 4 decades. He must be responsible!!!!!!


Because he is the face of the program he is responsible. Hes the boss, and anything that goes on under him is his responsibility.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54691 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

lol, read again.

Why?
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

I agree. McQueary should have stopped what was going on and called the cops on the spot. This isnt a Joe Pa problem. You have a first hand witness who not only does not interject at the locker room, he doesn't even call the cops right after.

Yet people read all this bullshite and Joe Pa's face pops in their head. Automatically they become enraged with him. He is the face of the program for 4 decades. He must be responsible!!!!!!

how stupid can people be, I do not know


I give the GA, JoPa, and the two asshats that didn't do anything at the top responsibility. Once you knew something of this - you report it to the authorities. Geez, not even a call to child protective services for an inquiry?
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