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re: Ohio St receives notice of allegations from the NCAA
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:25 am to Quidam65
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:25 am to Quidam65
At this point though all of that is a moot point. The NCAA ruled on the players and none of that has changed.
All of this is about the cover up by Tressel. Players selling their shite is peanuts compared to what he did.
All of this is about the cover up by Tressel. Players selling their shite is peanuts compared to what he did.
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Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:40 am to SprintFun
IMO tressel won't coach this year. The NCAA keeps saying coaches are going to be held to a higher standard than players and they gave dez bryant a 10 game suspension for lying about something that wasn't even a violation. I also think the NCAA is under a lot of pressure to show some credibility here. Just my opinion and i'm not a tOSU hater but i really think tressel will be suspended for the year.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:44 am to Quidam65
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If I am the outright owner of an item, don't I have the right to do with it as I please? And then use the proceeds for any legitimate purpose, even if someone may consider it "waste"?
If this logic is ever put in play, OSU and other teams will stop giving players Gold Pants; they will give them Gold Bricks.
The purpose is to make sure teams are not paying players (ie giving them goods for free which in turn they can sell for cash).
For what you are suggesting to make sense, you would have to ban teams giving players anything (rings, trinkets, jerseys... whatever).
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:48 am to usc6158
We've know this for a little while now
But they dodged the worst bullet
also significant - gives them a lot of latitude on how to proceed IMO
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NCAA accused Tressel of dishonesty for hiding violations by seven current and former players who sold awards and equipment to a tattoo-parlor owner.
But they dodged the worst bullet
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Ohio State, however, was not cited for "failure to monitor" or "failure of institutional control" violations, which would likely lead to the harshest of penalties.
also significant - gives them a lot of latitude on how to proceed IMO
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The NCAA warned that it could treat Ohio State as a repeat offender stemming from the violations involving former quarterback Troy Smith, who took $500 from a booster and former men's basketball coach Jim O'Brien, who gave $6,000 to a recruit.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:53 am to usc6158
Columbus Dispatch also uncovered more commications from Tressel to others concerning his players' trouble:
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After Ohio State University football coach Jim Tressel was alerted that some of his players had traded memorabilia for free tattoos from a suspected drug dealer, he exchanged numerous emails, phone calls and text messages with the tipster, his star quarterback Terrelle Pryor and Pryor's mentors.
Documents obtained by The Dispatch also show Tressel called an FBI agent within days of getting the first email warning the coach of the potential NCAA rules violation and a federal drug investigation.
But OSU records don't show a single call or email from Tressel to the Ohio State compliance office in which he could have reported his players' apparent violations of NCAA regulations.
Tressel did not send athletic director Gene Smith emails about the issue, either.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 11:26 am to SprintFun
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All of this is about the cover up by Tressel. Players selling their shite is peanuts compared to what he did
How can tOSU take itself serious when asking players to "do the right thing" after this? If you keep Tress then seems pretty logical that your top guy can intentionally mislead and lie and that's ok.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 11:28 am to WaveHog
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But OSU records don't show a single call or email from Tressel to the Ohio State compliance office in which he could have reported his players' apparent violations of NCAA regulations.
Tressel did not send athletic director Gene Smith emails about the issue, either.
Amazing the AD is so much of a pussy he'd let this slide. OR Tress told them and they made sure no one would know they talked. That way NCAA can only blame Tress but the AD would be inclined to keep the lying coach.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 11:32 am to Quidam65
quote:Yes. It's why you can sell your Heisman trophy.
If I am the outright owner of an item, don't I have the right to do with it as I please?
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And I'm surprised no one has challenged it in court.
But we're talking about eligibility, and the NCAA controls that through their bylaws. Student athletes accept these bylaws when they accept a scholarship so they've already agreed to abide by these rules...therefore what is there to challenge? There are many other rules in place that determine what student athletes can and cannot do while under scholarship. How is that any different?
Posted on 4/25/11 at 12:29 pm to WaveHog
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Tressel did not send athletic director Gene Smith emails about the issue, either.
I still believe Gene Smith was contacted by Tressel and was later told to take the blame.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 12:29 pm to GeauxTigersLee
I understand why the ncaa rule is in place but come on. I mean this is nowhere near the huge scheme or conspiracy people are making it
Posted on 4/25/11 at 12:33 pm to finallyfastohio
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I understand why the ncaa rule is in place but come on. I mean this is nowhere near the huge scheme or conspiracy people are making it
I agree, it is a terrible rule, but for the purpose of upholding precedence it should be strictly enforced. Tressel is just as guilty as Pearl or Dez Bryant, and those two had their asses handed to them by the NCAA/League/Media.
This post was edited on 4/25/11 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 4/25/11 at 1:02 pm to taylork37
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I still believe Gene Smith was contacted by Tressel and was later told to take the blame.
Even if that is true, Tressel is still a liar for saying he never told Smith and for covering things up.
All people/programs make mistakes but it is how you handle those mistakes that show your character. Why is Ohio State fighting so hard to keep a man as recklessly dishonest as Jim Tressel employed? It makes no sense. Maybe they'll stoop to a tragic low and name a campus building after him like OU did for Switzer.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 1:08 pm to Quidam65
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If I am the outright owner of an item, don't I have the right to do with it as I please? And then use the proceeds for any legitimate purpose, even if someone may consider it "waste"?
The reason you cant sell stuff like jerseys, or gold pants is that every student doesnt get those. So by selling them it is a benefit that the general student body doesnt recieve.
ETA: heres an article from 04. Has nothing to do with the above, but interesting none the less.
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This post was edited on 4/25/11 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 4/25/11 at 2:25 pm to taylork37
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I still believe Gene Smith was contacted by Tressel and was later told to take the blame.
I think something like this happened too. This is the only reason why he's not been fired IMO.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 2:25 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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Even if that is true, Tressel is still a liar for saying he never told Smith and for covering things up.
I get that....but its changes things don't you think?
And actually I'm not sure that he has ever said he never told Gene Smith. His response has always said something like " I am upset with myself for not going through the right channels..." or something like that.
Obviously he is still being dishonest, but in that aspect he is not flat out lying.
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Why is Ohio State fighting so hard to keep a man as recklessly dishonest as Jim Tressel employed? It makes no sense.
Maybe because Gene Smith told him to lie and that's a good way to get him to do it. Let him keep his job.
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I think something like this happened too. This is the only reason why he's not been fired IMO.
Exactly
This post was edited on 4/25/11 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 4/25/11 at 2:27 pm to usc6158
So people can't really think he's going to survive this, right?
Posted on 4/25/11 at 2:29 pm to ohiovol
I absolutely think he will survive this.
I'm not sure if I am happy about it or not though.
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If by chance my scenario is correct, then Tressel would have quite a bit of ammo against Gene Smith.
I'm not sure if I am happy about it or not though.
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If by chance my scenario is correct, then Tressel would have quite a bit of ammo against Gene Smith.
This post was edited on 4/25/11 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/25/11 at 2:31 pm to taylork37
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I absolutely think he will survive this.
Seriously?
That would be worse than Tennessee retaining Pearl.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 2:31 pm to ohiovol
Maybe they can trade up for Meyer.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 2:33 pm to ohiovol
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Seriously?
That would be worse than Tennessee retaining Pearl.
Only for the reasons I stated above. IF that isn't true then I would completely agree with you
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