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re: Official Tim Tebow Workout Thread (Scout grades on page 6)
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:46 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:46 am to LNCHBOX
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What an amazing scout you must be. Are there people saying he doesn't need a lot of work? frick some of yall are dense.
no one is dense. they just think tebow has a snowballs chance in hell of making it. guys who graded out much higher than Tebow and played baseball their entire lives can't hack it past A ball. If this wasn't Tim Tebow, no professional team would give a 29 year old player a shot
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:46 am to lsufball19
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Is it really worth the time to spend on a guy that, at best, may be ready for the majors when he's 32 years old?
If he helps you even just for a few months or a season, hell yeah it's worth it. It's not like Tebow is going to command a whole lot of money if he legitimately is giving it a shot. Seems pretty low risk, high reward. If he can't cut it, they can just cut him.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:48 am to JasonMason
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but then by the end of your argument you're basically saying the scouts are wrong because they got it wrong with Buxton.
I don't think they got it wrong with Buxton. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Buxton has all the raw tools. The reason that guys with fringe attributes or deficiencies in certain areas of there game make it to the majors is because they greatly excel at other areas AND they are extremely good at playing baseball. They are ballplayers. That's something you have in you and you nurture and grow with because you are infatuated with the game and devote your life to it.
Tebow is only relevant in this because of two things, his name is Tim Tebow and they will drool over him because of the coverage, and because he's a good athlete. Well, yesterday that "good athlete" did not look anything like a baseball player. He looked stiff. He looked like a linebacker trying to play baseball that hadn't played baseball since high school.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:48 am to lsufball19
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no one is dense
No, yall inventing arguments to try to spout off your vast scouting knowledge is pretty dense.
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If this wasn't Tim Tebow, no professional team would give a 29 year old player a shot
And now that he's done more with that shot than many thought he would, douchebags like you are looking for the next opportunity to melt about it. It's sad.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:48 am to JasonMason
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Chris Carter of the Brewers comes to mind. That guy probably plays a decent first, but he's in the big leagues for his power. The dude has a career .218 avg, but he has 139 career homeruns.
it also took him 7 years to get called up and he was a career .283 hitter in the minors, not bad for a guy like that. Tebow would be 36 years old if it took him that long
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:52 am to McCaigBro69
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Well the Rangers top prospect Joey Gallo is probably right around there in the hit numbers and he's a top 10, top 20 prospect in the league depending on where you look.
Scouting grades:
On the scouts scale of 20 to 80.
Hitting: 50 | Power: 80 | Run: 40 | Arm: 65 | Field: 65 | Overall: 70
LINK
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:54 am to LNCHBOX
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No, yall inventing arguments to try to spout off your vast scouting knowledge is pretty dense.
no one is inventing an argument. he graded out as plus ability in one of the 5 tools. he can only really play 1 position, has a weak arm. he was a below average hitter. If this was not Tim Tebow, no one would be saying he's got a good shot at the majors
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:54 am to lsufball19
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If this wasn't Tim Tebow, no professional team would give a 29 year old player a shot
Ehhhh, the Rangers gave a 30-year-old Matt Bush a shot after being out of baseball for more than two years and being in prison.
Yeah, he was the former top overall pick, but he came into the league as a SS and now he's in the majors as one of the key bullpen pieces for the best team in the American League (record wise) after only pitching for close to six months.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:54 am to lsufball19
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no one is dense. they just think tebow has a snowballs chance in hell of making it. guys who graded out much higher than Tebow and played baseball their entire lives can't hack it past A ball. If this wasn't Tim Tebow, no professional team would give a 29 year old player a shot
And this is all Im trying to say. This exactly.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:55 am to lsufball19
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Hitting: 50 | Power: 80 | Run: 40 | Arm: 65 | Field: 65 | Overall: 70
Lol that 50 hitting to Gallo is extremely freaking generous after seeing him earlier this year.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:58 am to lsufball19
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it also took him 7 years to get called up and he was a career .283 hitter in the minors, not bad for a guy like that. Tebow would be 36 years old if it took him that long
This is irrelevant to my point. I was using Carter as an example of being a player that excels in one attribute. Also, I don't think anyone is disagreeing that he got the tryout because of who he is. That's indisputable.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:59 am to McCaigBro69
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Yeah, he was the former top overall pick
there you go
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but he came into the league as a SS and now he's in the majors as one of the key bullpen pieces for the best team in the American League (record wise) after only pitching for close to six months.
he pitched in the minors too prior to all of that
LINK
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 11:01 am
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:03 am to lsufball19
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he pitched in the minors too prior to all of that
you are correct, I misread.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:03 am to JasonMason
Why are people so butthurt that a millionaire is going to get signed to a developmental league?
Jeez guys, with all of the problems in this country; or even in just sports THIS is what you guys get all spun up about?
Jeez guys, with all of the problems in this country; or even in just sports THIS is what you guys get all spun up about?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:04 am to lsufball19
So just to kind of prove that scout ratings aren't the end all be all:
Hitting 40
Power 50
Speed 25
Arm 50
Field 45
The player: Albert Pujols
LINK
Hitting 40
Power 50
Speed 25
Arm 50
Field 45
The player: Albert Pujols
LINK
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:08 am to JasonMason
IF he's signed he'll be invited to spring training to sell tickets and put on a AA or AAA roster to again sell tickets....that's his value nothing more, spending any real money on a 29 year old with 0 playing experience past high school is outrageous, you could go to a high school in America right now and find a player with similar tools and take the time to develop him yourself rather than giving Tebow a contract.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:09 am to JasonMason
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So just to kind of prove that scout ratings aren't the end all be all:
Hitting 40
Power 50
Speed 25
Arm 50
Field 45
The player: Albert Pujols
Was Pujols 29 years old when those grades were made? You know what? He probably was. Never mind.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:11 am to JasonMason
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So just to kind of prove that scout ratings aren't the end all be all:
Hitting 40
Power 50
Speed 25
Arm 50
Field 45
The player: Albert Pujols
You're and Idiot that's when Pujols was 19....guess what 10 years of development didn't prove those ratings wrong they increased them because he developed as a player...Tebow is 29 and little room to develop
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:12 am to Bench McElroy
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Was Pujols 29 years old when those grades were made? You know what? He probably was. Never mind.
You're an idiot. In the link his projected future grades were slightly better.
Hitting 40
Power 55
Speed 25
Arm 55
Fielding 50
Nor did I make the case that this translated to Tebow becoming Albert Pujols. My single point I made was that scouts don't always get it right. Next time I'll try to write it in crayon for you.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:13 am to The Ostrich
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You're and Idiot that's when Pujols was 19....guess what 10 years of development didn't prove those ratings wrong they increased them because he developed as a player...Tebow is 29 and little room to develop
Wow. Another idiot. My only point I made was that scouts don't always get it right. Did I ever say I thought Tebow would become a MLB regular? Damn you ladies are sensitive.
I see you also ignored the future ratings. You people keep trying to set up arguments that aren't being made. Next thing you're going to tell me is that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 11:15 am
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