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re: Official Silva vs. Weidman Fight/Prediction Thread
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:12 am to USMC Gators
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:12 am to USMC Gators
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It would be so wrong if they screw Johnny Hendricks out of another title shot.
Who else would they give it to?
Nick Diaz or Condit 2
. I don't know how they could screw Hendricks out of it now. 
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Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:14 am to USMC Gators
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C'mon man. We can both go down this same road with Fedor.
There is a difference...
Fedor only lost to top 10 fighters. And outside of Big Silva, you could argue he never lost a round from 1999-2012. Silva lost about 10 rounds.
Also, I think overall, Fedor's victories are more impressive. Both at the top end (Prime Nog, Cro-Cop vs Vitor and Hendo) and depth (Hunt, Coleman, Randleman, Goodridge, Herrring, Arona, Monson, Fujita, Sobral, Silvia, Arvloski, Rodgers vs Franklin, Forest, Bonner?).
Personally, I do not think it is all THAT close a comparison of resume's.
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 10:16 am
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:19 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Umm, if Silva doesn't taunt Weidman to bait him and just fights him, Silva has almost no chance to win the fight.
OK that's enough
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:20 am to SmackDaniels
silva's taunting was smart
silva going full fricking retard showboat dickhead was not smart
there's a big line between taunting an opponent and doing it to the point where you let him HIT you in the FACE (which he did, multiple times)
silva going full fricking retard showboat dickhead was not smart
there's a big line between taunting an opponent and doing it to the point where you let him HIT you in the FACE (which he did, multiple times)
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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there's a big line between taunting an opponent and doing it to the point where you let him HIT you in the FACE (which he did, multiple times)
Yeah thanks to his bullshite we get to hear how great Weidman is. Weidman split dec Maia, beat up a fat MarkMunoz with a broken foot. Then Silva sticks his chin in Weidmans face
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:30 am to SmackDaniels
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:30 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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My problem is there is just so many speculations and what ifs left after this fight.
I dunno man. I just watched a replay and am more convinced now Silva was dominated and stands little more than a punchers chance in a rematch.
They first engaged each other at 4:30 in the first. Weidman went deep and committed for a double leg and he got it. Anderson sprawled well, but Weidman was fast enough and decisive enough with the attempt he got it. He kept Anderson down and did some moderate damage with those punches and elbows for almost 2.5 minutes, including two submission attempts. I honestly think if he does not attempt the heel hook, Anderson would have spent the entire round on his back. He really showed zero ability to get the bigger stronger more dominant wrestler off him. Some of that GnP did do damage and I really think Weidman could pull a GSP lay and pray strategy on Silva 9/10 to win decisions if he felt like it.
Once the were back on their feet at 2 minutes left in the first, Silva landed 1 right jab with nothing behind it, then went to the taunting/baiting. I think at that point Silva saw that as his ONLY way to win the fight.
Really do not think Silva wants a rematch against Weidman.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:33 am to SmackDaniels
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Yeah thanks to his bullshite we get to hear how great Weidman is. Weidman split dec Maia, beat up a fat MarkMunoz with a broken foot. Then Silva sticks his chin in Weidmans face
Two things:
1. Weidman is a much better fighter than Silva and wins the vast majority (like 75-80%) of the matches between the two.
2. Weidman is not the GOAT or close to it. But Silva never deserved that moniker to begin with. It belongs to Fedor.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:45 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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There is a difference...
Fedor only lost to top 10 fighters. And outside of Big Silva, you could argue he never lost a round from 1999-2012. Silva lost about 10 rounds.
Also, I think overall, Fedor's victories are more impressive. Both at the top end (Prime Nog, Cro-Cop vs Vitor and Hendo) and depth (Hunt, Coleman, Randleman, Goodridge, Herrring, Arona, Monson, Fujita, Sobral, Silvia, Arvloski, Rodgers vs Franklin, Forest, Bonner?).
Personally, I do not think it is all THAT close a comparison of resume's.
We've been through this before.
Anderson's losses were in an org controlled by the Yakuza with no regulation or drug testing. Fact.
Fedor got destroyed by a guy that Anderson finished.
Nog got finished by Frank Mir twice, and Cro Cop embarrassed himself in the UFC right after winning the owgp.
Hunt, Coleman, Randleman, Goodridge, etc? Why don't you just add Zulu and Choi while you're at it.
Anderson had 10 title defenses in the UFC, Fedor had 3 in Pride.
Fedor avoided the UFC twice and then went 1-3 in a weaker promotion.
Edit: See, we can go down this road with anyone.
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:48 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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1. Weidman is a much better fighter than Silva and wins the vast majority (like 75-80%) of the matches between the two.
You've been throwing out this stat in damn near ever post. Was 66%, then 75%, now it's 75-80%. Silva got caught, it happens. Just ask GSP and Cain. To say silva has a punchers chance as you previously stated is absurd.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:54 am to lance814
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You've been throwing out this stat in damn near ever post. Was 66%, then 75%, now it's 75-80%. Silva got caught, it happens. Just ask GSP and Cain. To say silva has a punchers chance as you previously stated is absurd.
Was 66% because as I said, the first fight was the one Silva had a chance due to Weidman's inexperience on the big stage and potential ring rust. It has obviously gone up now that he has that one under his belt and out of the way, like I said.
He didn't just get caught. He got embarrassed the entire fight and did not even appear competitive. A punchers chance is the only chance Silva has against Weidman.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:55 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Was 66% because as I said, the first fight was the one Silva had a chance due to Weidman's inexperience on the big stage and potential ring rust. It has obviously gone up now that he has that one under his belt and out of the way, like I said.
He didn't just get caught. He got embarrassed the entire fight and did not even appear competitive.
A punchers chance is the only chance Silva has against Weidman.
Oh boy.
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:56 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
When did u become such a troll?
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:58 am to SmackDaniels
Posted on 7/7/13 at 11:06 am to USMC Gators
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Anderson's losses were in an org controlled by the Yakuza with no regulation or drug testing. Fact.
Irrelevant except it favors Fedor. Fedor fought several guys on juice. Randleman, Coleman, and Arona were all juiced to the gills, I PROMISE you that. Hell, Arona admitted he was juiced to the gills in Rings when he fought Fedor. Even said he sold steriod in an interview about 10 years ago.
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Fedor got destroyed by a guy that Anderson finished.
Don't even attempt to go down that road. Anderson got dominated badly in the 1st round and got caught with a kick in the throat that was out of left field. Until that happened, it was an arse kicking by HENDO. Did you even see the fight? Additionally, Hendo caught Fedor with a sucker punch. It was legal, but hardly any indication of who the better fighter was. quote:
Nog got finished by Frank Mir twice, and Cro Cop embarrassed himself in the UFC right after winning the owgp.
When Fedor faced Nog, he was the #1 HW and #1 P4P fighter in the world in his prime. Nog is still considered the #2 HW of all time. Please don't try and say ANY win by Anderson even compares. That is a terrible arguement to make.
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Hunt, Coleman, Randleman, Goodridge, etc? Why don't you just add Zulu and Choi while you're at it.
You should learn a bit more about the fighters I listed. All were legit when Fedor faced them and much more legit than Anderson's competition outside of the top guys Anderson faced, who do not compare to the top guys Fedor faced. In fact you would have had a more credible arguement if you had used Rodgers, Silvia, Arvloski overall.
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Anderson had 10 title defenses in the UFC, Fedor had 3 in Pride.
Ok. You sorta have a point here. However, only 3 of those were against good competition and Anderson went 2-1. Fedor went 3-0 and all 3 of the fights for Fedor were against greater competition than anyone Anderson has faced his entire career.
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Fedor avoided the UFC twice and then went 1-3 in a weaker promotion.
The top HWs in the UFC at the time were Couture, Mir, Lesnar. Fedor chose to go fight tougher competition elsewhere. He would have won against any of the top UFC guys.
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Edit: See, we can go down this road with anyone.
You shouldn't though. It is a losing endeavor against a more knowledgeable MMA fan that has been watching a LOT longer.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 11:07 am to SmackDaniels
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When did u become such a troll?
How about you make a legit arguement for a change. You were wrong I was right. You don't like it and want to name call.
Who is the troll?
Posted on 7/7/13 at 11:08 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Tiger n Miami AU83
And of course you respond to facts with opinions and yet more insults.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 11:11 am to SmackDaniels
With so many fighters picking weidman and weidman never being in trouble in that fight, making silva go to last resort practically begging weidman to keep it on their feet, I'm just shocked everyone saying it was a lucky punch like gsp getting caught.
Everyone at the house last night thought weidman was going to win and everyone was cheering for silva....it wasn't a fluke win
Everyone at the house last night thought weidman was going to win and everyone was cheering for silva....it wasn't a fluke win
Posted on 7/7/13 at 11:11 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Saying Silva got embarrassed the entire fight is a bit retarded.
Silva was clearly hot dogging the entire fight, and he paid for it as a result. They are going to have a rematch and Silva will be extremely motivated. It will be a thriller when it happens.
Silva was clearly hot dogging the entire fight, and he paid for it as a result. They are going to have a rematch and Silva will be extremely motivated. It will be a thriller when it happens.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 11:12 am to fightingtiger2335
I don't think it was a fluke win, but Silva certainly did not give his best. He was to busy showing off and hot dogging against a very good fighter. He paid for it as a result.
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