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re: Official 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread (LA KINGS WIN THE CUP 3-2 F/2OT)
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:49 pm to UltimateHog
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:49 pm to UltimateHog
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Insane? Fleury has been better than Bob. And by a decent margin.
Umm well they have both been equally pretty bad, at.903 and .900.
But what Fluery did in game 4 was single-handedly lose a playoff game, which Bob hasn't done.
You truly are delusional
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:49 pm to UltimateHog
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Pens will have plenty of cap space, cap goes up 7 million this year.
I accounted for that.
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Orpik and Niskanen won't be back, Glass Vitale and those guys you mentioned make 1 million and less
But they will make more next year as they are new free agents. Which is sort of my point. If you don't re-sign Niskanen, and we all agree you won't because he's going to make $3-4 million AAV in a defense starved league, then you need to sign someone to take the spot. Unless the Pens are going to fill those open roster spots with a bunch of minor leaguers and just start rebuilding for no reason.
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Those guys I mentioned will make about 3 million. (Elliott Emery Halak)
Easily enough.
Which the Pens can't afford. Let's say they sign Elliott for $3 million. That would leave them with $13 mil in cap space, and a roster with only 7 forwards (2 of which are Bennett and Adams) and 5 D (1 one of whom is Bortuzzo). That's a paper thin roster. I don't mean they'll only have 7 good forwards. I mean they will literally only have 7 forwards.
I'm not making their cap situation up. Check it out yourself:
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ETA: Y'all pay Jokinen $2.1 million in cap dollars. And he's an unrestricted free agent this year. Think he'll still make that?
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:53 pm to UltimateHog
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Fleury has been better than Bob. And by a decent margin.
Who is Fluery playing against? Who is Bob playing against?
As much as I love Brandon Dubinsky and Artem Anisimov they =/= Malkin and Crosby
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:56 pm to ironsides
One of the most amazing things about this series/2014 CBJ playoff run:
The two highest paid players affecting the Columbus cap are Marian Gaborik and Nathan Horton, neither of which will be on the ice for the CBJ this year.
The two highest paid players affecting the Columbus cap are Marian Gaborik and Nathan Horton, neither of which will be on the ice for the CBJ this year.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:59 pm to UltimateHog
16 million in cap space for the Pens next year.
Orpik and Niskanen won't be back, Glass and Vitale make 1.6m combined, Pyatt lol why did Baloo even say him he was a waiver wire pick up after the Rangers cut him this year lol at resigning him.
Resign Jokinen and Stempniak or Jokinen Sutter for about 5 million combined. Sutter is an RFA.
Resign glass for his 1million Vitale for about 900K.
Youve still got damn near 10 mill in cap space.
Gibbons and Connor make 550K and are RFA. 8 million with your lines set to sign a backup goalie for 2-4 million and still have 4-6 million in cap space to get a grinder or two.
Could probably resign Nisky at his 5-6 million coming his way. But the Pens are loaded with young stud Dmen on the team and in the minors so they really don't need to do that. Pouliot will be next year's Maatta. And then we have Dumoulin about ready and Harrington and Samuelsson. It's insane how many great young Dmen the Pens have in the minors. ETA: and Despres, who is ready and played this year and significantly improved.
And that's if they kept Fleury and didn't cut him or trade him for nothing freeing up another 5 million.
I say trade for Luongo.
Orpik and Niskanen won't be back, Glass and Vitale make 1.6m combined, Pyatt lol why did Baloo even say him he was a waiver wire pick up after the Rangers cut him this year lol at resigning him.
Resign Jokinen and Stempniak or Jokinen Sutter for about 5 million combined. Sutter is an RFA.
Resign glass for his 1million Vitale for about 900K.
Youve still got damn near 10 mill in cap space.
Gibbons and Connor make 550K and are RFA. 8 million with your lines set to sign a backup goalie for 2-4 million and still have 4-6 million in cap space to get a grinder or two.
Could probably resign Nisky at his 5-6 million coming his way. But the Pens are loaded with young stud Dmen on the team and in the minors so they really don't need to do that. Pouliot will be next year's Maatta. And then we have Dumoulin about ready and Harrington and Samuelsson. It's insane how many great young Dmen the Pens have in the minors. ETA: and Despres, who is ready and played this year and significantly improved.
And that's if they kept Fleury and didn't cut him or trade him for nothing freeing up another 5 million.
I say trade for Luongo.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:22 pm to UltimateHog
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Resign Jokinen and Stempniak or Jokinen Sutter for about 5 million combined. Sutter is an RFA.
Almost impossible. Sutter's qualifying offer has to be at least $2.7 million. Stepniak is going to make a lot more than $2.5 mil on the open market as will Jokinen at $2.1 mil. Stepniak would have to take a pay cut for the Pens to sign both Sutter and Stepniak at $5 million. If you get discounts, you'll get them at $6 million total, but you could be looking at $8. But let's be nice and say $6 million.
Glass makes $1.1 right now. He's a UFA and you think he's going to take $1 million to stay? Let's say he gets a marginal raise to $1.2 million. Vitale is also a UFA, but let's give him $800k to make an even $2 million.
You've spent $8 million of your $16 million cap space. And you still only have 11 forwards TOTAL on the roster, and you have Vitale, Glass, Bennett, and Adams in that group. TWO of that group are getting third line minutes and you're probably playing a minor leaguer as the last spot on your 4th line.
Oh, you still have Scuderi-Letang as your #2 pairing behind Martin-Maata and you are short a 6D entirely.
OK, promote Pouliot and Dumoulin for a combined cap hit of $1.7 million. Problem solved from a cap perspective, but you're giving big minutes to two rookies and one sophomore. You still have $6.3 million in cap space, but your forward depth is, frankly, awful and you are expecting minor leaguers to carry your defense. Fine if you have no Cup aspirations, as they will improve and its a good investment, but probably not the roster of a realistic Cup contender.
But you want to spend $3 million on a goalie? And you can't free up MAF's cap hit by cutting him. You have to trade him, and who will take his $5 million cap hit when, as you point out, that can sign Halak or Elliot for half of that on the open market, costing them no players in a trade?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:28 pm to Baloo
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OK, promote Pouliot and Dumoulin for a combined cap hit of $1.7 million. Problem solved from a cap perspective, but you're giving big minutes to two rookies and one sophomore. You still have $6.3 million in cap space, but your forward depth is, frankly, awful and you are expecting minor leaguers to carry your defense.
You're forgetting Despres, who the Pens view as a top 4 Dman. Maatta did great as a rookie, he BARELY beat out Pouliot in camp to get that roster spot they were so close, he's another young star Dman the Pens have. The Pens are set up just fine defensively for years and years with a wealth of talent, this isn't new news.
Also, we're aren't the Caps (no offense) we have one of the best GM's and front offices in the league that always finds ways to make things work.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:30 pm to UltimateHog
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Insane? Fleury has been better than Bob. And by a decent margin.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:31 pm to KillerNut9
.903 save % > .900
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:34 pm to UltimateHog
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.903 save % > .900
His goal against average and save percentage should actually be higher since he was taking a stroll during this one.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:34 pm to UltimateHog
.003 is a decent margin when Bob is playing against multiple all-world caliber players and Fleury isn't?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:35 pm to KillerNut9
And Bob is supposed to be a Top 5 goalie and Fleury isn't Top 20.
Those all world players Malkin and Crosby have done nothing, so no, that excuse doesn't work.
Those all world players Malkin and Crosby have done nothing, so no, that excuse doesn't work.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:36 pm to UltimateHog
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Those all world players Malkin and Crosby have done nothing, so no, that excuse doesn't work.
I think that was kinda the point he was trying to make actually.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:36 pm to UltimateHog
.003 still isn't a decent margin
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:38 pm to KillerNut9
I know it's not, I said both have been bad. You're the ones getting all defensive about it.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:38 pm to KillerNut9
It's fun letting UltimateHog embarrass himself with blind stupidity.
Anyway, game 5 is gonna be awesome.
MAF is gonna crack, I feel it.
Anyway, game 5 is gonna be awesome.
MAF is gonna crack, I feel it.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:38 pm to KosmoCramer
You're middle name is blind stupidity.
Stats don't lie, sorry.
Bob has been awful, get over it.
Stats don't lie, sorry.
Bob has been awful, get over it.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:40 pm to UltimateHog
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I know it's not, I said both have been bad. You're the ones getting all defensive about it.
Whaat?
quote:quote:Fleury has been better than Bob. And by a decent margin
Ultimate Hog
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:41 pm to KosmoCramer
This is my favorite, dat 4th line 6 goal scorer Craig Adams has a NASTY wrister.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:41 pm to UltimateHog
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I know it's not, I said both have been bad. You're the ones getting all defensive about it.
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Insane? Fleury has been better than Bob. And by a decent margin.
Please keep going
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