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re: Not flaming but Chris Paul is NOT a top 5 point guard!
Posted on 4/28/09 at 11:33 pm to lsu480
Posted on 4/28/09 at 11:33 pm to lsu480
You can make a case for the last 3 guys, and maybe Rondo. But you can't say any of them are the best. As for Derrick Rose...I'm assuming you only watched him during this series against the Celtics (where everyone seems to be in love with him). You CAN NOT make a case for Rose being a top 5 point guard. He is completely 1-dimensional. Game 1 when he went off for 36 and 11, that was a great offensive performance. But on the other end he turned the ball over like 7 or 8 times and was abused by Rondo (who has yet to develop a solid jumper).
This demonstration on Rose being outperformed by Rondo makes your argument null and void. I guess Rose can't perform against a "great" guard like Rondo. I think all these guys are quality players, but they all have a better team around them (for the most part) than CP3.
Basically, I don't see how you can call CP3 not a top 5 PG when Rose plays NO defense. It's like saying Allen Iverson is a great guard. He's not, he's a great scorer -- big difference.
This demonstration on Rose being outperformed by Rondo makes your argument null and void. I guess Rose can't perform against a "great" guard like Rondo. I think all these guys are quality players, but they all have a better team around them (for the most part) than CP3.
Basically, I don't see how you can call CP3 not a top 5 PG when Rose plays NO defense. It's like saying Allen Iverson is a great guard. He's not, he's a great scorer -- big difference.
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Posted on 4/28/09 at 11:39 pm to Patato Salad
Read Bill Simmons' article -- and take note of what he says about Chris Paul. Simmons is one of the top minds in basketball. He knows what he's talking about and has the resources of ESPN to help him pull up all kinds of stats.
An MVP Race for the Ages
An MVP Race for the Ages
Posted on 4/28/09 at 11:48 pm to Patato Salad
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MVP Race according to Bill Simmons:
2. Chris Paul
The first player to lead the league in assists and steals AND finish in the top 10 in scoring. We might as well start there. Only five players led the league in steals and assists since 1974; Paul has done it in consecutive years. If he scores 39 against the Spurs in his final game, he'll become the fourth player to average 23-plus points and 11-plus assists in one season (joining Oscar, Magic and Tiny Archibald). Since the All-Star break, with Tyson Chandler battling injuries and missing 18 games, Paul carried the extra load by averaging a 25-11-6. For the season, he's shooting 50 percent from the field and 87 percent from the line, and his assist-to-turnover ratio is an astonishing 11-to-3. I don't know what's left.
Oh, wait, I know: His supporting cast isn't good. David West is their only other scorer. They have no low-post presence at all. Their best rebounder/shot-blocker (Chandler) struggled all season. They didn't crack the top 12 in FG percentage (currently 14th), 3-point percentage (17th), steals (16th), rebounds (24th), blocks (26th), points scored (26th) or assists (28th), making it only in FT percentage (third), points allowed (fourth) and opposing FG percentage (seventh). Basically, they're a good defensive team that can't rebound, can't shoot very well and can't succeed unless its point guard plays well. And they're going to win 50 games? Huh? Throw in how he kept them together after the demoralizing Chandler trade got vetoed and he's the clear No. 2.
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW: He has Lebron at #1
Posted on 4/28/09 at 11:48 pm to Patato Salad
You know what....ill buy that argument about Rose and Paul....and thanks for a good post. I can tell you actually watch more basketball than just the Hornets. The three I feel are clearly better than him are Rondo,Parker,and Williams. Billups is just such a great leader from the point year after year, he has a ring, and has been outplaying Paul this series so I had to throw him in there. Ill admit Rose also would not have been in my top 5 before the playoffs but his maturity and poise are just unreal for a rookie,hes more impressive than Paul in those categories and also more gifted physically. Maybe Paul is better than Rose this year but thats gonna change by next year.
As far as that article goes its not really valid in this thread. Ive said many times in here that Chris Paul is an amazing regular season player..I just dont ever see him winning any big games in the future. Hes not gonna outplay the guys I listed...maybe play them even...but not outplay them. Also last year was their one chance and they missed it...the Hornets franchise is a mess and is screwed financially so they arent going to bring in anymore talent for him. So....if he cant outplay the best PGs and they arent going to bring in great talent around him he is gonna be a loser year after year. With his bad attitude he isnt gonna take it well and he is going to self destruct. Just my opinion on the state of Chris Paul and the Hornets but dont listen to me because I am retarded and should kill myself.
As far as that article goes its not really valid in this thread. Ive said many times in here that Chris Paul is an amazing regular season player..I just dont ever see him winning any big games in the future. Hes not gonna outplay the guys I listed...maybe play them even...but not outplay them. Also last year was their one chance and they missed it...the Hornets franchise is a mess and is screwed financially so they arent going to bring in anymore talent for him. So....if he cant outplay the best PGs and they arent going to bring in great talent around him he is gonna be a loser year after year. With his bad attitude he isnt gonna take it well and he is going to self destruct. Just my opinion on the state of Chris Paul and the Hornets but dont listen to me because I am retarded and should kill myself.
This post was edited on 4/28/09 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 4/28/09 at 11:52 pm to grif82
Honest question.....why does he look like he is about to cry?
Posted on 4/28/09 at 11:56 pm to lsu480
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but dont listen to me because I am retarded and should kill myself.
Wow.....a momentary lapse of reasoning. Sometimes a little self reflection ain't a bad idea
Posted on 4/28/09 at 11:58 pm to lsu480
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why does he look like he is about to cry?
you must be hallucinating
Posted on 4/29/09 at 12:00 am to grif82
No he looks like someone just broke his yo-yo and he is gonna cry about it.
Posted on 4/29/09 at 12:02 am to lsu480
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No he looks like someone just broke his yo-yo and he is gonna cry about it.
going to bed......don't have time for games right now
Posted on 4/29/09 at 12:07 am to grif82
Goodnight bro!
Posted on 4/29/09 at 12:08 am to lsu480
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Yeah they posted HIS stats...what about the other players? DUH!
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I just dont ever see him winning any big games in the future. Hes not gonna outplay the guys I listed...maybe play them even...but not outplay them.
once again you are wrong. here are both paul and parker's head to head stats from their playoff series against each other, since the playoffs are the crux of your entire argument:
paul:
24 points on 50.4% shooting, 11 assists, 2.6 steals, 2.3 turnovers
parker:
19.4 points on 48.6% shooting, 5.7 assists, 0.7 steals, 3.14 turnovers
paul clearly outplayed parker. people are calling you stupid because you are consistently posting things that are blatantly false as factual, and you refuse to admit when you are clearly wrong.
Posted on 4/29/09 at 12:13 am to lsu480
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As far as that article goes its not really valid in this thread. Ive said many times in here that Chris Paul is an amazing regular season player..I just dont ever see him winning any big games in the future. Hes not gonna outplay the guys I listed...maybe play them even...but not outplay them. Also last year was their one chance and they missed it...the Hornets franchise is a mess and is screwed financially so they arent going to bring in anymore talent for him. So....if he cant outplay the best PGs and they arent going to bring in great talent around him he is gonna be a loser year after year. With his bad attitude he isnt gonna take it well and he is going to self destruct. Just my opinion on the state of Chris Paul and the Hornets but dont listen to me because I am retarded and should kill myself.
Parker and Williams are both great guards, and Rose has a lot of potential too down the road. I love Derrick Rose too but I think you are basing these Rankings too much on the last month of basketball. Rose has had a great series, but imagine if KG was there everytime Rose got into the paint. It'd be a whole another story -- Can you say sweep?
On to Parker. His greatness is exemplified by Tim Duncan. Maybe he outplays Paul, but that's gonna happen...It doesn't happen everynight (and just because they beat the Hornets in the West semis last year doesn't mean Paul was outplayed, both players had a nice series). Tony Parker is playing with arguably THE greatest "power forwad" (because we all know he's a center) to play in the NBA. Imagine if the Hornet had Duncan in his prime playing a long side CP3 (throw out West of course). I think CP3 would have a few rings eventually too. Oh and if you are doubting his clutch-ness take a look at this...
82 games
It's a very interesting site that ranks and tallies clutch statistics, don't ask me how they do it. But CP3 is 5th on that list, of every player in the NBA. Parker is a close 10th, but Williams isn't even in the top 20. This is just more evidence that favors CP3. Now I wanna state again that I think Parker is an elite point guard. But...think of it from this angle. If Chris Paul plays with those Spurs teams that Parker played with, don't you think they would be better? What makes CP3 special is his ability to make his teammates look good. Imagine how many more assists he would have if he could kick it to the corner to Bowen (who we all know doesn't miss from there), or dish it to Ginobli when he's wide open. You can't tell me that there is a drop off from the greatness of those teams if Parker and Paul trade places. They would be incredible teams with Paul.
As far as Derron Williams goes, he does have CP3s number at the moment. But he still doesn't play great against other point guards either. Yeah he plays up there with CP3 when the Hornets and Jazz meet, but c'mon. I didn't expect the Jazz to beat the Lakers, but having someone like Derek Fisher guarding you should make you eyes light up...
This post was edited on 4/29/09 at 12:18 am
Posted on 4/29/09 at 4:24 am to lsu480
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Not flaming but Chris Paul is NOT a top 5 point guard!
L O Freaking L.
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Hes gonna give the Hornets good regular season records but never gonna do anything in the playoffs.
Last year's playoffs: 24.1 ppg, 11.3 assists, 4.9 rebounds, 2.3 steals, and 50% from the field.
SO, that pretty much proves you completley wrong.
And way to judge your best point guard list going by a 5 game sample.
Posted on 4/29/09 at 4:35 am to lsu480
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Hes great against even the slightly above average guys but Paul gets owned by Parker
Parker owned Paul in that 7 game series last year? Man, your posts get funnier as you go.
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Look at what they are doing and look at what he is doing.
Was he not the best PG in the league last year? So, all of a sudden, he's regressed while all these guys have gotten so much better in the past 2 weeks? LOL.
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but his playoff #s are gonna always be way below his regular season #s.
Really. That's odd since they were higher just LAST YEAR!!!
Actually, I think Chris Paul's career playoff numbers are higher for every stat than his regular season numbers.
How do you explain that???
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I dont think everyone turns against him...it looks like im the only one. And its because I have thought this all year.
You thought this all year, funny how it took this long for you to actually post it since Paul was playing better than all of those guys for about 4 months.
Posted on 4/29/09 at 8:03 pm to lsu480
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With his bad attitude he isnt gonna take it well and he is going to self destruct. Just my opinion on the state of Chris Paul and the Hornets but dont listen to me because I am retarded and should kill myself.
wow Chris Paul has a bad attitude??....have you seen some guy name Kobe Bryant that bitches after every shot he misses, but yet gets every call in the world...give me a break
Posted on 5/10/10 at 12:57 am to jmelancon1
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RAJON RONDO WILL NEVER BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO CP3 JUST BECAUSE HE IS DOING BETTER THAN CP3 IN THE PLAYOFFS DOESN'T MEAN IS A BETTER OVERALL PLAYER THAN CP3, YOU'RE A frickING IDIOT IF YOU PICK RONDO OVER CP3, AND IF WE (THE HORNETS) HAD RONDO WE WOULDN'T BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE PLAYOFFS, AND IF THE CELTICS HAD PAUL THEY WOULD'VE SWEPT THE BULLS, SO FEEL LIKE A DUMBASS
I got A LOT of hate last year when I pointed out Rondo was better than CP3 and that CP3 was not a top 5 point guard. Im ready for apologies.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 1:01 am to lsu480
No.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 1:06 am to lsu480
Paul > Rondo
Posted on 5/10/10 at 1:06 am to lsu480
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and that CP3 was not a top 5 point guard. Im ready for apologies.
LOL.
Because he was hurt?
You shoulda gave up when you got proved wrong over and over after saying stuff that wasn't remotely true.
Posted on 5/10/10 at 1:06 am to lsu480
Wow. I hadn't seen this thread at the time but it is just a tour de force of failure on your part. Nice attempt at trolling.
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