re: NIL revenue share just got way more complicated

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I just value freedom of association. If colleges want to form sports organizations based on voluntary participation of the students and not pay those students, the students shouldn’t be able to sue them into paying them. The students are free not to play and should exercise that freedom by not participating. I bet that you believe in the principle of freedom of association as well, you just don’t like the practical effects of that principle in some situations so discard the principle as needed. Some of us are principled, and some of us are relativists.

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I live in reality

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How can you support a team that has no players? Some of you are so stupid it makes my head spin

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Have you supported LSU when the product was shite and when they were good?
Most of us have been LSU fans all our lives.Players come and go fans are fans forever. The fans will come regardless who is playing for LSU or any other fanbase.

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Universities with large athletic programs are making millions upon millions on dollars from those athletes. It’s not debatable, it’s on their fricking balance sheets.

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90% of the fricking revenue is from students paying tuition. Why you think tuition is so high for students?

All they get is a fricking degree in return they may or may not use when they get out in the real world.

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I have no clue how this is in any way relevant to the conversation other than outing yourself as clueless

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You said the players make them millions upon millions in revenue.
So do the fricking regular students and way more than athletes.
Do I need to explain it slower?

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You said the players make them millions upon millions in revenue. So do the fricking regular students and way more than athletes. Do I need to explain it slower?

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The students are paying for their education. It’s a part of a business that includes professors, buildings, books, etc.

It’s not relevant to the extracurricular activities like athletics.

Some student athletes are collectively generating a lot of money for the university in an activity that is disconnected from the university’s reason for being. That’s indisputable.

This, again, is a question of principles. Should voluntary-participation organizations be able to run themselves however they see fit, with participants able to leave whenever they want?

It’s the same question as whether the Masters should be able to be male only.

That's not NIL

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Why do you run from even attempting to discuss Diego pavia or the auburn swimmer every time they’re brought up?I mean, besudes the fact that they both completely invalidate everything you’ve said on this topic of course.

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I addressed it directly. I’m not sure if you can’t read or just too stupid to understand it

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Lsu managed to play every game this season without Colin hurley ever seeing the field. How did that happen?

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Another thing that has absolutely zero to do with the topic at hand

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And yet you fully support the results of them being involved.

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I do not, yet another presupposition

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Operating in bad faith how? Can’t wait to see you attempt to explain this without saying that thing you claim you don’t believe.

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Hoarding billions of dollars all while hiding under some guise of “amateur athletics” while they’re getting rich. Really simple


It’s really easy brother, just say you emotionally don’t want these guys to get paid because it affects YOUR enjoyment of the product. It’s hypocritical and asinine but we’re all entitled to our opinions. Lying behind some veil of logic just makes you look like a moron, but it’s ok to have biased and logicless opinions. We all do

Fans can't play the "voluntary association" or "amateur sport" card when it suits their purposes and then puff our their chests about potential mega conferences or huge TV deals.

This isn't a social club, it's a zillion-dollar business that has no antitrust exemption. Which means the federal government and the federal courts have every right to come in and tell it what to do if it goes against antitrust, restraint of trade, etc., laws.

Where we are right now was always inevitable once this became a zillion-dollar business and it got into court. The people who actually put their asses on the line in this stuff were going to demand a piece of that zillion-dollar pot that far exceeded a scholarship, etc. To Joe Schmoe slaving away at a drudge job from 9 to 5 in Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge, a scholarship seems huge, but it's a pimple on the arse of how much money is being fed into the trough for hawgs to feed at in college football right now.

And the reason for whining in threads like this is that fans think they are the most important people in the equation because "they pay the bills," when the truth is a lot more nuanced than that even though they certainly are vitally important.

It's because college football fans especially feel they have a sense of tangible ownership in the sport to where they should dictate how it's run, when they've never actually had any tangible ownership in the thing, never should and never will.

It's because the folks who crow about how they pull for the schools and not the players, who consider them transitory and replaceable, view the players as gladiators performing for their entertainment, it's why everyone wants R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket as their coach, kicking asses and running players until they puke like their high school coaches did back in 1972, and are so butt hurt that the players actually have gotten a little control of their own destinies and how f-ing dare they want a cut of the action.

This Title IX thing is a tempest in a teapot, it's of course again pulled the bandage off the underlying problem.

Eventually this will work itself out and we'll move forward.

If old fart fans stop watching the games ... and I'm nearly 70, I can call people old farts ... the powers that be are confident they'll be replaced with new fans. Unless you're 18 to 49 and in a diverse demographic, they really don't care if you watch anyway.

If y'all want to blow the thing up and go back to club level football with kids that just want to play for the glory of their state and school and don't care about being compensated for their efforts, feel free.

But I think you'll find out those stadiums won't be as full as you think they'll be.

Flame and downvote away ...

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Plenty of people have brought up government intervening in voluntary organizations.

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That’s called society

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You typed a lot of words to say you don’t believe in freedom of association.

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Neither do you, you just define that to meet your personal standards. We’re all in favor of rules of society

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And if it’s so flipping obvious that the NCAA cannot legally be an amateur sports organization, how did it last as that until the last few years?

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It’s a great question, it’s astounding to me that it did

Because nobody seriously challenged it.

The idea of college sports that everyone clings to was an illusion, and the illusion was broken.

This is not a voluntary association, it’s a business.