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re: ND AD Swarbrick: "There’s Still One Chapter To Come..." (Re: Conf. Realignment).

Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:00 pm to
Posted by arwicklu
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 7:00 pm to
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the NCAA has little say in this decision this decision will be made by the people who matter: heads of big schools/conferences


Very true. That is why I think the 6+2 will probably happen. Those conferences want their ticket to the show.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:48 pm to
You're forgetting they want to keep the bowls too. The conference commissioners want their good ole boy, ex-commissioner friends running the big bowls to get their money too.
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:54 pm to
I hope its a 6 team nfl style format
Posted by arwicklu
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:57 pm to
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You're forgetting they want to keep the bowls too. The conference commissioners want their good ole boy, ex-commissioner friends running the big bowls to get their money too.


That does complicate things. I really think you'd have to do the 8 teams spread out in the Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, and Rose Bowl. You'd then have two additional weeks of games. I'm just not certain how well that would work. It would be pretty hard for people to travel to neutral sites for that many games.

The school hosting the first round would make a lot of sense for the higher seeded team but then you're putting trash in the current BCS Bowls.

It is a tricky one.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 9:40 pm to
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You're forgetting they want to keep the bowls too. The conference commissioners want their good ole boy, ex-commissioner friends running the big bowls to get their money too.


That would be one of the easier aspects to work out. The major bowls would get to host the playoff games, and maybe even get the top teams not in the playoffs. Basically a double hosting system.

For example, the B(C)S bowls and the Cotton rotate the five playoff games. They also host their regular bowls, with the top SEC team not in the playoff going to the Sugar, the top B1G and Pac-12 teams going to the Rose, etc. The bowls that would get squeezed out would be the Meineke Car Care Bowl or the Papajohns.com Bowl.
Posted by big Tiger 1885
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 1:25 am to
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SOUNDS like an 8-team playoff with 6 BCS conferences getting in their champ with 2 AL spots

that would force ND's hand, imho


I see two scenarios playing out if that is the case.

Scenario 1 The BIG 10 goes after ND and Rutgers and probably Kansas and KSU. The ACC goes after WVU, UCONN, Louisville, and another Big East team. The SEC goes after two ACC schools (FSU, Clemson, NC State, VT). The PAC goes after Texas, TTU, OU, and OSU.

Scenario 2. ND and Lousiville join the Big 12 and everyone else stays put. This makes the most sense IMO. ND works a tv deal similar to Texas and Louisville escapes the Big East.
Posted by RandyVandy
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 3:57 am to
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Scenario 1 The BIG 10 goes after ND and Rutgers and probably Kansas and KSU. The ACC goes after WVU, UCONN, Louisville, and another Big East team. The SEC goes after two ACC schools (FSU, Clemson, NC State, VT). The PAC goes after Texas, TTU, OU, and OSU.


Never happen
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:07 am to
dont really see what adding kansas or ksu does for the B1G...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:08 am to
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The school hosting the first round

i seriously doubt hosting is an option. too much money for the "haves" (aka home teams)
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:41 am to
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i seriously doubt hosting is an option. too much money for the "haves" (aka home teams


You say this all the time, like its some insurmountable obstacle. Its pretty easy to come up with a plan to split the playoff revenue.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 8:42 am
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:46 am to
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You say this all the time, like its some insurmountable obstacle. Its pretty easy to come up with a plan to split the playoff revenue.


Most likely you'd have the playoff pot divided among the conferences and they'd decide how to divide among the teams.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:49 am to
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Most likely you'd have the playoff pot divided among the conferences and they'd decide how to divide among the teams.


Exactly, it will be decided before hand. If you do 8 teams, 3 neutral sites would be a bit much so I'd think you'd need to play of campus. SFP is right that playoffs would mean even more money for the big conferences but it wouldn't be a problem to have games on campus because they can't figure out how to split the money.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 1:15 pm to
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6 with 1 and 2 getting a bye.

That's 5 total games for a national title .... Keeping the bowls rotating with one hosting the national title as well.


This is what needs to happen.

5 BCS games stay where they are as do the rest of the bowls.

Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 4/24/12 at 10:06 am to
OP updated...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/12 at 10:48 am to
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Exactly, it will be decided before hand.

the pot? sure

but that will be a tough negotiation, regardless

the individual home game revenue will be a different (and much tougher) negotiation, imho

it will be seen as a reward for the home team. a financial windfall that i doubt the home team would want to share with its opponent. the accounting alone would be impossible. you couldn't split it on revenue, b/c of the operational costs of using the stadium. if it's split on profits, then we're going to see a lot of "hollywood accounting." there is no incentive for that to not occur
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 4/24/12 at 10:57 am to
This only came up because one conference started kicking everyone else's arse and started getting more money and glory.

This would never had come up if the SEC hadn't won 6 in a row.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/24/12 at 10:58 am to
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the pot? sure

but that will be a tough negotiation, regardless

the individual home game revenue will be a different (and much tougher) negotiation, imho


I don't see why that wouldn't be done before hand.

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. if it's split on profits, then we're going to see a lot of "hollywood accounting." there is no incentive for that to not occur


We are not talking about 10's of millions of dollars. What's a home game for LSU generate? 3 Million? Maybe 4-5 at most? Sure there might be some fudging, how much is that going to account for? They could also have outsider auditors if its that big of a deal. You can get a pretty good estimate of revenue a home team gets and split it 60-40. TV money will dwarf that anyway.

I will never understand why people think something they oppose has to be 100% foolproof or it will never work. Teams fudging a few hundred grand is not a deal breaker.
This post was edited on 4/24/12 at 11:03 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/24/12 at 11:01 am to
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This only came up because one conference started kicking everyone else's arse and started getting more money and glory.


The B1G makes more money over all than the SEC. All the conferences with 2 teams in the BCS made the same regardless of the game they were in.

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This would never had come up if the SEC hadn't won 6 in a row.

Maybe having 2 SEC teams in the BCS CG pushed it a little, but there has been talk about various 4 team playoffs for years, the BCS contracts are up after 2013, so the negotiations would have happened anyway.
Posted by ACT
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Posted on 4/24/12 at 11:11 am to
Giving 1 and 2 a bye would keep the value of the regular season as well.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40896 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 11:12 am to
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The B1G makes more money over all than the SEC. All the conferences with 2 teams in the BCS made the same regardless of the game they were in.


Wouldn't you think championship merchandise sales (and other revenues associated with winning national titles) would need to be included in such money talk?

And not just flat BCS payouts? I am aware the B1G makes a lot, but it also has a shite ton more people in their states.
This post was edited on 4/24/12 at 11:13 am
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