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re: NCAA should not pay players; debate me:
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:00 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:00 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Last I checked, there were nearly a dozen college athletic organizations in the United States and Canada, including the NCAA, NAIA, NJCAA, CCAA and the NCCAA. None of them pay their players. If this was such a winning issue, then why don't they?
I'm not advocating that the NCAA, or any other college athletic organization for that matter, pay the players. I'm advocating that players that have personal value be able to use that for profit just like literally another other United States citizen.
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If this was such a winning issue, then why don't they?
Billion dollar TV contracts and hundreds of millions of dollars in profit are relatively new phenomenon in college athletics. Things change and evolve. Are you against evolving labor laws, or gender or racial equality? Do you think the average workday should still be 12 to 14 hours because that's how it used to be?
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:02 pm to shel311
You are too focused on what you believe is fair. Focus on why the NCAA would do this.
They have no reason to and it would be horrible for the organization.
They have no reason to and it would be horrible for the organization.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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it would be horrible for the organization.
How?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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No, you're conflating NFL rules and NCAA rules.
no I'm not. you're saying they have a choice if their end goal is pro ball. that means sitting out or going to a shitty league. both of those options means they likely won't make near as much as they would otherwise and probably won't even make the league.
if they want to play in the NFL, they have one viable option and that's NCAA football. your whole premise is flawed from the start.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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No, you're conflating NFL rules and NCAA rules.
The NFL has these rules in place to help protect the product of the NCAA. If the NFL does away with years after high school rule then there wouldn't be a need to pay players but if they keep that in place the players should be able to receive money from boosters for their talents.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Should an english major abide by some rule established by the chemistry dept?
Not apples to apples at all. All students are subject to university rules which would be a much more apt comparison, though still not very strong.
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These players are VOLUNTARILY joining this organization knowing full well what the rules are.
This is your only argument and it's disenginous at best and straight up stupid more likely. The professional leagues and the NCAA work simultaneously and they are entrenched organizations. It's like saying you don't like the laws of the US, just move to another country. It's not nearly that simple.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:04 pm to pvilleguru
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Agreed, but they should allow players to get paid.
Oficially, that is, but if an envelope shows up at your door the morning after the big game, then it's all good
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:04 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The professional leagues and the NCAA work simultaneously and they are entrenched organizations.
yeah, they don't have a choice of avoiding the NCAA if they want to make it to the NFL.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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on why the NCAA would do this.
Simple, money.
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They have no reason to and it would be horrible for the organization.
Right, why would you want to give up unilateral power to exploit a multi billion dollar industry?
Other than your mission statement is to enrich amateur athletes and prepare them for life, that is.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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You are too focused on what you believe is fair. Focus on why the NCAA would do this.
They have no reason to and it would be horrible for the organization.
All in the name of "amateurism" and "student-athletes" man what a fricking joke this aint the 1950s bro
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
How about this we get rid of the NCAA altogether
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:06 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Focus on why the NCAA would do this.
Why does the NCAA hold on to amateurism as though it is some high ideal?
We've been duped into creating what are the minor leagues for two professional sports organizations, minor leagues that are heavily subsidized by tax-payer monies. What is the benefit of amateurism in this instance?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:08 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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This is your only argument and it's disenginous at best and straight up stupid more likely. The professional leagues and the NCAA work simultaneously and they are entrenched organizations. It's like saying you don't like the laws of the US, just move to another country. It's not nearly that simple.
EXACTLY, the NCAA's monopoly on college sports is so impregnable and obvious, one of the biggest cartels maybe in human history
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:12 pm to msutiger
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The NCAA is about giving young athletes the opportunity to continue competing athletically at a higher level while also providing them an education most will use once their four years are completed.
No the NCAA is in the business of making money. Why do you think it took Title 9 for a lot of schools to pick up some of these sports? Because it wasn't making money and the reason they picked them up is because they were forced to. The only innocent sports in college sports is club sports everything else is about money.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:14 pm to JasonMason
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This doesn't even come close to the revenue power 5 football teams bring in because of the players.
I dont make near what the company I work for makes so I dont see what that matters.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:18 pm to kengel2
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I dont make near what the company I work for makes so I dont see what that matters.
:facepalm:
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I am not arguing from the perspective of right or wrong. I am arguing from the perspective that the NCAA is a private organization that can and should do what it wants. I see nothing positive for the NCAA that would make them want to pay players, or allow them to seek payment elsewhere.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:24 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The current system of supplying college scholarships is adequate compensation for the player from the school itself and is probably actually at or above market value. But, the players should not be restricted from capitalizing on their likenesses and notoriety that may be but short lived in college. If Bob's Honda wants Johnny QB to be in a local spot - let him.
NCAA football and basketball represent possibly the only 2 instances in American sports where people will pay top dollar to watch 2nd rate versions of a sport (Maybe women's tennis fits in here too?). People will pay $100's to watch an Alabama football team that would get curbstomped by the Buffalo Bills if they were playing at the highest level.
This is because it is the school driving the market value, not the players. In every other instance of American sport we really only want to watch the best of the best. The top 500 college football players could quit tomorrow and nothing about the sport's ability to capture revenue would change.
NCAA football and basketball represent possibly the only 2 instances in American sports where people will pay top dollar to watch 2nd rate versions of a sport (Maybe women's tennis fits in here too?). People will pay $100's to watch an Alabama football team that would get curbstomped by the Buffalo Bills if they were playing at the highest level.
This is because it is the school driving the market value, not the players. In every other instance of American sport we really only want to watch the best of the best. The top 500 college football players could quit tomorrow and nothing about the sport's ability to capture revenue would change.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:26 pm to TH03
This why I was rooting for LaVar Balls league to work. If someone was able to pull off a league that stole all of the top recruits from major college athletics the NCAA would be forced to change its rule.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:26 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I am not arguing from the perspective of right or wrong. I am arguing from the perspective that the NCAA is a private organization that can and should do what it wants
Read their mission statement retard
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Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount.
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The Association - through its member institutions, conferences and national office staff - shares a belief in and commitment to:
· The collegiate model of athletics in which students participate as an avocation, balancing their academic, social and athletics experiences.
· The highest levels of integrity and sportsmanship.
· The pursuit of excellence in both academics and athletics.
· The supporting role that intercollegiate athletics plays in the higher education mission and in enhancing the sense of community and strengthening the identity of member institutions.
· An inclusive culture that fosters equitable participation for student-athletes and career opportunities for coaches and administrators from diverse backgrounds.
· Respect for institutional autonomy and philosophical differences.
· Presidential leadership of intercollegiate athletics at the campus, conference and national levels.
Also, it's a non profit organization
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In its 2016–17 fiscal year the NCAA took in $1.06 billion in revenue, over 82% of which was generated by the Division I Men's Basketball Tournament
Now, please point out to me where not allowing players to do commercials or take a cut of their jersey sales fits anywhere in with their mission or core values.
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