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re: NCAA should not pay players; debate me:

Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:40 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:40 pm to
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Why even go through the charade? That allows boosters to pay fake values for jerseys and autographs.
So, what's the issue there? Also, it's not fake value, it's real value.

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Gurley can choose not to go to college. People act like there are no choices.

And you're acting like it's impossible to keep the system as is while allowing players to make money off of their name/likeness.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 3:43 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:41 pm to
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What's with this either/or bullshite?
Yea, he has no logic behind that, he just keeps saying it for some odd reason.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:41 pm to
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That allows boosters to pay fake values for jerseys and autographs.

How is that a fake value? If that is what they are willing to pay, then that is its value.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:42 pm to
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Congratulations, now the girl who was fulfilling her dream playing college soccer while also getting a scholarship to school will no longer get that opportunity because a power-five, five-star DB wanted new shoes on top of his free education, free housing, free meal plan in a private cafeteria, free athletic gear, free books and weekly nationally televised audition for professional football.

What's the problem with this? The girl playing soccer is not bringing any value to the university, IMO, she doesn't have any instrinsic right to be able to play soccer in college if she wants to.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36479 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:43 pm to
Also

quote:

NCAA should not pay players


And

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Why even go through the charade? That allows boosters to pay fake values for jerseys and autographs.


Are not the same thing.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17132 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:43 pm to
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Sure that works for SEC schools but now schools like ULM, Louisiana Tech, ULL and many other G5 schools will be forced between choosing between figuring out a way to pay student athletes or start shutting down programs. 

Congratulations, now the girl who was fulfilling her dream playing college soccer while also getting a scholarship to school will no longer get that opportunity because a power-five, five-star DB wanted new shoes on top of his free education, free housing, free meal plan in a private cafeteria, free athletic gear, free books and weekly nationally televised audition for professional football.


This is my argument against players getting paid. People are naive if they think they coule get away with paying football and basketball teams, while the rest of the sports don't get a dime.

But players should be allowed to make money off themselves absolutely.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36479 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:44 pm to
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What's the problem with this? The girl playing soccer is not bringing any value to the university, IMO, she doesn't have any instrinsic right to be able to play soccer in college if she wants to.


I do think there is value to the university for nonrevenue sports. A universities mission is to graduate well rounded students and athletics is a part of that. As ice already stated, I think most parties would compromise if the system stayed the same and the revenue generators could profit off of their likeness.
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71363 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:45 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/9/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:48 pm to
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The NCAA is about giving young athletes the opportunity to continue competing athletically at a higher level
That ship sailed a looooong time ago. The NCAA is about making billions of dollars, that is there #1 priority.

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36479 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:49 pm to
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The NCAA is about giving young athletes the opportunity to continue competing athletically at a higher level while also providing them an education most will use once their four years are completed


In theory. In practice, they are a bribe taking organization with unilateral power that exploits young people. They make rules for athletes that don't apply to any other students on campus to make sure they keep all the money.

If you think a player not being able to go on a commercial for money or sign autographs is right, I don't know what to tell you. The NCAA was putting out a video game of its players and taking all the money from it for God's sake.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:50 pm to
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There is no logical reason taxpayers should fund sports that function as the minor leagues for the NBA and the NFL.

Outside of that, funding for these students should be like how any department at a university funds graduate students. The better, richer programs can offer higher stipends.


I could get behind this, step in the right, more fair direction I mean its more the case in football than basketball but those football players put their bodies on the line for a minimum of 3 years before they ever get paid over the table for taking those dangerous risks, logically they should be compensated accordingly and wouldn't affect my fandom for my team one bit, free market the bitch
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171951 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:51 pm to
Are you seriously implying someone can just sit for 3 years after high school and be drafted in the first round? Players have to go to college man. This is some retarded shite right here.
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71363 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:52 pm to
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That ship sailed a looooong time ago. The NCAA is about making billions of dollars, that is there #1 priority.



That is true but my option is that while the NCAA has become money-focused organization, it still offering a lot of benefits to a wide spectrum of student athletes.

Just because they have already dug this hole, doesn't mean they need to dig deeper and destroy all of the good they have created.
Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
Member since Nov 2014
3295 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:52 pm to
::insert wall of text with incredibly well constructed, articulate points that cannot be disputed here::

tl;dr - ncaa should pay players
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71363 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:54 pm to
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If you think a player not being able to go on a commercial for money or sign autographs is right, I don't know what to tell you. The NCAA was putting out a video game of its players and taking all the money from it for God's sake.


Where have I said this? You're arguing something completely different than I am talking about. This is about a school paying a student-athlete an hourly wage.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33890 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:55 pm to
The NCAA is a private organization and has decided that they don't want to pay players, or for them to get paid. Those that disagree are free to ply their wares elsewhere.

Last I checked, there were nearly a dozen college athletic organizations in the United States and Canada, including the NCAA, NAIA, NJCAA, CCAA and the NCCAA. None of them pay their players. If this was such a winning issue, then why don't they?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78168 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:56 pm to
Paying players would need serious tweaks to title IX

Just in general no woman sport is as profitable as the men’s sport and most don’t make a profit at all.

Most sports don’t make a profit.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33890 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:57 pm to
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They make rules for athletes that don't apply to any other students on campus to make sure they keep all the money.


The other students on campus are not members of their organization.

Should an english major abide by some rule established by the chemistry dept?

These players are VOLUNTARILY joining this organization knowing full well what the rules are.
Posted by al_cajun
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2017
2442 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:58 pm to
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A lot of people don't realize the ripple effect schools paying football players would cause. You think you are going to only pay football players? Lol, you will be paying soccer, volleyball, bowling and every other non-revenue sport as well.

I doubt the money would be taken from the general athletic fund it would probably be booster money. And just so you know players already get paid for basketball and football and it other sports still get scholarships.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33890 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:00 pm to
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Are you seriously implying someone can just sit for 3 years after high school and be drafted in the first round? Players have to go to college man. This is some retarded shite right here.


No, you're conflating NFL rules and NCAA rules.

There are nearly 30 pro and semi pro football leagues in North America. They are free to join one of them.

All opportunities are not equal, nor should they be.
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