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re: NBA’s “deadball era”

Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:23 pm to
Posted by Jamohn
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:23 pm to
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But in 94-95, the league average got to 359
That's the year they introduced the shorter 3-point shot. Suddenly 3s were 2 feet shorter and everyone was lighting it up.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:40 pm to
So you are saying want to see LeBron iso against larger shot blocking players and see what happens. So would I.

Jordan played in an era where 9 of the 10 top shotblockers in the history of the NBA played.

LeBron has played against one, Duncan.

Not sayin one is better than the other but I would have been interesting to see how often LeBron would been blocked or at least dissuaded from driving. Also would have been interesting to see a Jordan play in league with no real HOF shot blockers.

Posted by VADawg
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:48 pm to
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So you are saying want to see LeBron iso against larger shot blocking players and see what happens. So would I.


I can already tell you what would have happened. He would be way, way too quick for guys like Ewing.
Posted by LittleRockHog501
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 2:59 pm to
ISO half court ball was played throughout the 90s up until around 2011 or so.
Posted by thetigerman
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:20 pm to
Growing up a Jazz fan, I got to witness just how to take advantage of the old illegal defense rules. They would camp Mark Eaton out at the 3pt line, which would force the defender to go out and guard him. Now I'm not sure if you guys were familiar with Mark Eaton, but he had virtually zero offensive skills - so this benefited the Jazz tremendously. They could essentially play 4 on 4 with Stockton and Malone leading the charge.

Also, the hand-check rule change of the late 1990's increased scoring a lot.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 4:28 pm to
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Jordan almost assuredly wasn't as good as Lebron
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:10 pm to
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Growing up a Jazz fan, I got to witness just how to take advantage of the old illegal defense rules. They would camp Mark Eaton out at the 3pt line, which would force the defender to go out and guard him. Now I'm not sure if you guys were familiar with Mark Eaton, but he had virtually zero offensive skills - so this benefited the Jazz tremendously. They could essentially play 4 on 4 with Stockton and Malone leading the charge.
Great example.

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Also, the hand-check rule change of the late 1990's increased scoring a lot.
I feel this is overblown. Handchecking is not going to stop a great scorer or even slow him down. It’s a *little* helpful as a defender to be able to handcheck, but people often bring it up like it’s a huge weapon for the defense.

Anybody who grew up and played at any fairly high level of basketball knows that when you get hand checked, it’s more of a nuisance than anything.

If someone wants statistical evidence, you can see from the offensive statistics that there isn’t a correlation between hand checking rules and scoring in the NBA.
Posted by thetigerman
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:21 pm to
Yeah I guess you’re right about the hand checking. I know that Stockton did it constantly. Seemed like it helped him keep more on-balance with the offensive player.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:35 pm to
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It’s widely known in NBA circles


Are you boom’s son?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:48 pm to
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I would have been interesting to see how often LeBron would been blocked or at least dissuaded from driving.


Have you seen how James is built?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27983 posts
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:58 pm to
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Yeah I guess you’re right about the hand checking. I know that Stockton did it constantly. Seemed like it helped him keep more on-balance with the offensive player.
It definitely is helpful to the defensive player to be able to use your hands, but people often take the effectiveness way too far by acting like removing hand checking is an even trade-off for removing illegal defense rules. Any prominent scorer would prefer by far keeping the illegal defense rules in place and allow hand checking.

Players today have adapted to scoring in different ways to beat defenses because it’s now too difficult to isolate and score 1 on 1.
Posted by RogerTempleton
Austin
Member since Nov 2014
3295 posts
Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:01 pm to
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Lol they let thm play defense



So the illegal defense rules and not allowing zones let them play defense?
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 6:08 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:57 pm to
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What factors would be responsible for such low ppg, especially in the 90’s?

1. "Riley" ball. Coaches believed that you played hard D and did the least risky stuff on offense. think of it as "running the ball" for an NFL comparison

2. irrational hatred of the 3 point shot

3. irrational love of the "traditional" big men

4. illegal defense, which helped #1 extremely. teams would just iso, let the clock run down, and then try to shoot as it ran out. this was the "risk-averse" style that fit perfectly with the "man only" rules of the era
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2836 posts
Posted on 4/10/18 at 7:22 pm to
Rodman would have made Lebron his bitch. Literally.
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