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re: NBA Thread 3/19: Kevin Love is back Edition
Posted on 3/20/18 at 6:49 am to dallastiger55
Posted on 3/20/18 at 6:49 am to dallastiger55
When Houston is better without Hardwin, it's because he's just that good a leader on the bench.
quote:What?
Hottest team in the NBA and looking like a lock for a top 4 seed. Good time to be peaking
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:29 am to jackwoods4
quote:Hey, I follow Bob Voulgaris on Twitter too!!
Boom likes to often revisit last year's MVP voting. I think we should revisit it re Kawhi. This Spurs team is honestly so bad without him. It's putrid.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:37 am to shel311
The theme of that argument is that because the spurs supporting cast is bad this year that they were bad last year too and Leonard carried them. Really Poorly thought out argument that is easily disproven when you look at the teams performance both years with him off the court. they were literally over 2x better on a per 100 possession basis last year. An old team getting worse as they age is to be expected. Leonard is a top 5 player and defiantly has a role in the teams drop off, but let’s look at this for what it is. His teammates play has fallen off a cliff.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:01 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Boom last year: Doesn't care about On/Off, only the On portion
Search the on/off splits and they were one point and some change better with him on the court than off sorry bubba the facts don’t lie.
Boom this year: Only talks about the On/Off splits
Boomin it up!!!
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:02 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:1. You love that made up WS when talking about Harden
In case you didn’t remember they were much better defensively last season when he was on the bench. Again check the on off. Instead of some made up WS projection that no one who knows even a little ab win share wound ever make
2. Your boy Lowe that you love to reference talked about the Kawhi on/off and how it really just showed how good he actually is when you breakdown the WHY...but you probably already know that...
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:04 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Boom says Kawhi doesn't make his team better and the Spurs are worse this year because of the decline of the other players and NOT because Kawhi's not out there.
Playmakers make their teammates better. He is not a play maker. Oh and his team was better defensively when he was on the bench.
Idk if you know about Pythagorean expected wins but I can tell you his teammtes played like a 59 win team last year and merely a 49 win team this year. but yea let’s be intellectually dishonest when the numbers are right there In front of you and claim that his sqaud being worse this year is all him and not bc of the decline of his teammates.
The best part of that is i'm pretty sure Boom had Kawhi at #3 or #4 in his personal MVP vote last season but now tells us his top 3 MVP guy is useless to his team.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:06 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:That's what leaders do, they drive others to be great.
The theme of that argument is that because the spurs supporting cast is bad this year that they were bad last year too and Leonard carried them. Really Poorly thought out argument that is easily disproven when you look at the teams performance both years with him off the court. they were literally over 2x better on a per 100 possession basis last year. An old team getting worse as they age is to be expected. Leonard is a top 5 player and defiantly has a role in the teams drop off, but let’s look at this for what it is. His teammates play has fallen off a cliff.
The evidence is there, those Spurs are balling when Kawhi is off the court because of the great leadership Kawhi brings to the table!!!!!
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:06 am to shel311
You cannot take a players win share and add it to the teams total the next year and say that’s how many wins they would have. Win share is not calculated like that. anyone who knows anything about win share wouldn’t even try to do what he did with win share.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:08 am to shel311
I didn’t say he was uselsss. When you gotta make stuff up, you have lost. He is a top 5 player. But to say that his teammates sucked last year bc they suck this year when the evidence is clear as day that they were great last year is a weak argument that I can dispose of with my eyes closed.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:09 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:You say he's a top 5 player that doesn't make his teammates better and his teammates have more impact on the team's success than he does.
He is a top 5 player
Boom on fire!!!
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:14 am to shel311
You already took the L in this one because you resorted to making up stuff we never said bc you couldn’t take on the argument I presented. Another L in a long line of them for you.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:16 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Nailed it...except for the fact that you did say it!!
You already took the L in this one because you resorted to making up stuff we never said
quote:
Playmakers make their teammates better. He is not a play maker.
Boom: Kawhi doesn't make his teammates better
quote:Boom: Spurs decline is moreso due to teammates than Kawhi.
Idk if you know about Pythagorean expected wins but I can tell you his teammtes played like a 59 win team last year and merely a 49 win team this year. but yea let’s be intellectually dishonest when the numbers are right there In front of you and claim that his sqaud being worse this year is all him and not bc of the decline of his teammates.
Boom: Kawhi top 5 MVP candidate
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:18 am to shel311
Didn’t say he was useless. Sorry bro. I know this is your thing. You have no hoops iq no ability to build an argument back by data on your own so you resort to word games. my argument is clear as day. Look at his teammates performance this year v last year. It’s overwhelming proof that his teammates suck this year compared to last.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:21 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:You said he's a top 5 MVP candidate who doesn't make his team better and is less important to his team's success than his teammates. You can stick to the "useless" line since that's all you got or you can address the fact that you're making no sense, but why would you?
Didn’t say he was useless. Sorry bro.
quote:Yep. Top 5 player who doesn't make his team better and impacts the game less than his teammates, that's your argument.
my argument is clear as day.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:25 am to shel311
Teammates played like a 59 win teams last year.
This year a 49 win team.
you really cant argue that he deserved the mvp last year based on his teammates play this year when it is clear that his teammates this year aren’t the same as his teammates last year.
the core of this argument is that people are wanting to say that his teammates play this year can be applied to a previous year. And that dog don’t hunt. It’s a different season. and his teammates play is much worse. and it’s not even close.
This year a 49 win team.
you really cant argue that he deserved the mvp last year based on his teammates play this year when it is clear that his teammates this year aren’t the same as his teammates last year.
the core of this argument is that people are wanting to say that his teammates play this year can be applied to a previous year. And that dog don’t hunt. It’s a different season. and his teammates play is much worse. and it’s not even close.
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