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re: NBA Free Agency Thread: Day 21
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:27 pm to Mohamed Ali
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:27 pm to Mohamed Ali
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He attempted more three pointers this season than he did in his first six years combined. Comparing his percentages then to now doesn't make any sense.
He MADE more threes this season than he did in his first 8 years in the NBA.
In 05-06, he was 0/13 the entire season from 3. This year alone, he was 74/218. No matter how you slice it, his game has expanded.
So since he is taking 3's now, and making a low percentage of them, his offensive game is expanding just for the mere fact that he is making 3's???
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:28 pm to brgfather129
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Anything else?
Still doesn't mean he can't.
Wade's strength isn't slashing to the hole anymore. Doesn't mean he still can't do it.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:28 pm to Mohamed Ali
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Mohamed Ali
still trying to figure out whose alter you are BTW
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:29 pm to Mohamed Ali
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Are all of those bad contracts? Sure
You're really reaching if you're stuck with "here are some other bad contracts" argument.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:30 pm to The_Hornet
Kevin love would still be the number 3 option on the Miami heat team until MAYBE last season.
And bosh was a 10 rebound a game type of guy as well until he came to Miami.
And your "2." Point actually proves why his percentage is the same. When he was in Toronto he hardly took any 3 pointers and when he did it was when he was wide open. This season people do respect his 3 pointer and actually close out on him. But I know you don't know that bc you didn't watch the heat til the finals.
A guy taking 200 3 pointers and making 32% is better than a guy taking 60 and making 32% (even though bosh made 34% this year I believe? Idk why you keep using that number)
If you disagree then you think Ibaka is a better 3 point shooter than Kevin love. Bc Ibaka made 38% of the 60 3s he took this season while love only made 37% of the 250+ he took this year.
Also. I'm not saying Bosh is better than love. I'm saying if they switched situations their statistics would both change drastically.
And bosh was a 10 rebound a game type of guy as well until he came to Miami.
And your "2." Point actually proves why his percentage is the same. When he was in Toronto he hardly took any 3 pointers and when he did it was when he was wide open. This season people do respect his 3 pointer and actually close out on him. But I know you don't know that bc you didn't watch the heat til the finals.
A guy taking 200 3 pointers and making 32% is better than a guy taking 60 and making 32% (even though bosh made 34% this year I believe? Idk why you keep using that number)
If you disagree then you think Ibaka is a better 3 point shooter than Kevin love. Bc Ibaka made 38% of the 60 3s he took this season while love only made 37% of the 250+ he took this year.
Also. I'm not saying Bosh is better than love. I'm saying if they switched situations their statistics would both change drastically.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:30 pm to LSU Piston
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So since he is taking 3's now, and making a low percentage of them, his offensive game is expanding just for the mere fact that he is making 3's???
In one season he went 0/13 from 3.
My point is that those percentages from his early seasons in the league are skewed.
In 06-07 he went 12/35 (34%) from 3. This season, he went 74/218 (34%). You see the difference between those two percentages right?
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:30 pm to Mohamed Ali
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Still doesn't mean he can't.
Bosh is telling you he can't...but yeah, I'm sure you know better.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:31 pm to brgfather129
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You're really reaching if you're stuck with "here are some other bad contracts" argument.
Not really. If they got that money, Bosh will get it too. That's my point.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:34 pm to Mohamed Ali
Jesus this thread devolved into shite.
Chris Bosh isn't worth a max contract. Anyone covering the league would tell you that.
Kevin Love is a 10x better player than Chris Bosh. He is a better scorer, a better rebounder, and a better passer. They are similar defensively.
Chris Bosh isn't worth a max contract. Anyone covering the league would tell you that.
Kevin Love is a 10x better player than Chris Bosh. He is a better scorer, a better rebounder, and a better passer. They are similar defensively.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:39 pm to RTR America
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Jesus this thread devolved into shite.
Chris Bosh isn't worth a max contract. Anyone covering the league would tell you that.
Kevin Love is a 10x better player than Chris Bosh. He is a better scorer, a better rebounder, and a better passer. They are similar defensively.
To take this one step further, Kevin Love's best season, to date, is WAY better than Chris Bosh's best season
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:41 pm to RTR America
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Jesus this thread devolved into shite.
Chris Bosh isn't worth a max contract. Anyone covering the league would tell you that.
Kevin Love is a 10x better player than Chris Bosh. He is a better scorer, a better rebounder, and a better passer. They are similar defensively.
thanks. people are just trolling people for the last 5+ pages.
BTW, I was wrong. D. Harris deal is same as original deal last year. 3 years/$9 million+
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:42 pm to Dr. Shultz
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Kevin love would still be the number 3 option on the Miami heat team until MAYBE last season.
And bosh was a 10 rebound a game type of guy as well until he came to Miami.
And your "2." Point actually proves why his percentage is the same. When he was in Toronto he hardly took any 3 pointers and when he did it was when he was wide open. This season people do respect his 3 pointer and actually close out on him. But I know you don't know that bc you didn't watch the heat til the finals.
A guy taking 200 3 pointers and making 32% is better than a guy taking 60 and making 32% (even though bosh made 34% this year I believe? Idk why you keep using that number)
If you disagree then you think Ibaka is a better 3 point shooter than Kevin love. Bc Ibaka made 38% of the 60 3s he took this season while love only made 37% of the 250+ he took this year.
Also. I'm not saying Bosh is better than love. I'm saying if they switched situations their statistics would both change drastically.
You literally bounced around every point I made with excuses.
If you want your favorite team to lock up Chris Bosh with a max contract, that's your prerogative. Just don't be surprised when he is 34 years old, averaging 28 mpg, 14 ppg, 5 rpg, and shooting 31 % from 3, along with playing 'el matador' defense.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:47 pm to LSU Piston
For the record, I never said Bosh is better than Love.
And, I don't think a thread turns to shite just because some people have a different opinion than others.
I stand by my opinion that Bosh deserves and will get a max contract should he decide to leave the Heat.
And, I don't think a thread turns to shite just because some people have a different opinion than others.
I stand by my opinion that Bosh deserves and will get a max contract should he decide to leave the Heat.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:47 pm to Mohamed Ali
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Brook Lopez makes $16 mill
Dwight Howard makes $21 mill
Brook is probably the most offensively skilled center in the NBA. His problem is his health, his talent.
Howard is still the best center in the NBA, despite people believing his antics somehow make him less talented.
Bosh is not better than either of these guys.
Amare is severely overpaid now, but again he was on a max contract and since he has been in the league so long, his max is going to be higher than most, including Bosh since he came in a year earlier. His problem, like Brook's, is health and not talent.
Asik is overpaid, but defensively strong centers who can rebound at a high level and aren't statues on offense are valued highly so people pay a premium for that.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:49 pm to The_Hornet
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Brook is probably the most offensively skilled center in the NBA
Ehhhh......
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:51 pm to Mohamed Ali
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Asik makes $15 mill
Super backloaded contract, he was averaging $8M/yr on his deal. Not really comparable.
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Brook Lopez makes $16 mill
Dwight Howard makes $21 mill
If Bosh is playing center he's probably worse than both these guys. Howard is the best center in the NBA and Lopez is up there, Bosh is really a PF
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Amare makes $23 mill
And is exactly why a team shouldn't sign Bosh to a max deal. Bosh is better than Amare now and probably won't age as badly, but Bosh would be overpaid at $23M too.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:52 pm to lsutothetop
All that said, I see somebody paying Bosh pretty close to a max deal anyway. Not because he's that talented/productive (he's CLOSE, but not there), but because it sounds like a lot of teams are waiting to jump in on the Big 3 sweepstakes and his price will probably get driven up as a result.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:53 pm to Dr. Shultz
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Kevin love would still be the number 3 option on the Miami heat team until MAYBE last season.
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And bosh was a 10 rebound a game type of guy as well until he came to Miami.
Cool, Love's only season under 11 rpg was his rookie season when he averaged 9.1 in only 25 mpg.
Let me put it to you this way. Bosh's best rebounding season was in 09-10 when he was 25. He averaged 10.8 a game. The only season that Love didn't average more than that was his aforementioned rookie season in which he only played 25 mpg.
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And your "2." Point actually proves why his percentage is the same. When he was in Toronto he hardly took any 3 pointers and when he did it was when he was wide open. This season people do respect his 3 pointer and actually close out on him. But I know you don't know that bc you didn't watch the heat til the finals.
The only reason why he was knocking down threes is because no one respected them. Hell the Spurs didn't even respect him and the Spurs do their due diligence on everyone. Bosh is only out there so that LeBron and Wade can drive to the lane without Bosh bringing a big down low.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:56 pm to RTR America
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Ehhhh......
Brook is the better shooter and Marc is the better passer. I'll take the better shooter.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:58 pm to Mohamed Ali
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I stand by my opinion that Bosh deserves and will get a max contract should he decide to leave the Heat.
I'll ask this question one more time.
Chris Bosh was 67th in the league in minutes per game this year. Lower than DeMarre Carroll and Dirk Nowitzki, for some perpective. His minutes have been dwindling for the last 4 years.
This is only one point of many, but just with this point alone, how is Chris Bosh worth a max deal when you factor in his age (30)?
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