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re: NBA Finals Record: MJ 24-10; LeBron 13-20
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:08 am to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:08 am to Fearthehat0307
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LBJ is a selfish tool that does nothing to better those around him, as proved by how bad the team is when he leaves
You realize that makes no sense right?
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Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:08 am to Fearthehat0307
quote:Now you stop contradicting yourself then?
I don't disagree.
now what?
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:08 am to Fearthehat0307
quote:Sorry you want to ignore what you want to ignore then whine about others doing the same.
straw men, straw men everywhere
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:09 am to Fearthehat0307
quote:
if we are trying to argue KD belongs in the GOAT discussion, then absolutely his legacy took a hit.
It still wouldn't make any sense if he still put up big numbers as an individual.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:09 am to jimithing11
quote:
You ever think that maybe Jordan made his team better?
when he was completely absent from the team, they won 55 games. was he still making them better from a AA dugout?
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:09 am to jeff5891
quote:Bingo.
, but MJ had way more talented teammates than lebron has ever had. I would never choose any team LJ has brought to the finals over the bulls in the 90s
Most people get too far into the debate on either end, when the simple answer is MJ is the GOAT AND his casts were much better than Lebron's.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:09 am to Fearthehat0307
quote:
LBJ is a selfish tool that does nothing to better those around him
But but but he'll never be Kobe or MJ because he isn't selfish enough. Or at least that has always been the narrative up until your post.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:10 am to shel311
quote:I am not contradicting myself at all. I take everything into consideration but I don't ignore one result because it suits my argument. if he wins this series it proves he is a beast but you can't just ignore and pretend it didn't happen if they get slaughtered. that's ridiculous
Now you stop contradicting yourself then?
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:10 am to Fearthehat0307
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once again, what exactly is KD's legacy? I don't think anyone is trying to compare him to the GOATs
durant's peak is certainly in the super elite tier. he's the only 50-40-90 player who has also won a scoring title
he's possibly the most diversified scorer of all time
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:exactly my point. MJ made those around him better and taught them to be great. LeBron is a bad teammate and teaches nothing, as evident from what happens when he leaves
when he was completely absent from the team, they won 55 games. was he still making them better from a AA dugout?
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:11 am to jimithing11
quote:He does, which is why he's got the Knicks leftovers and a dude who looks like a little, white hobo to the Finals.
You ever think that maybe Jordan made his team better?
If LeBron is such a GOAT, he should have no struggles making his team better
It's no surprise that MJ couldn't win titles when he had similar casts. Then he got better players and he won. I'd think if you knew that, right about now a lightbulb should be going off in your head.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:11 am to Fearthehat0307
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if he wins this series it proves he is a beast but you can't just ignore and pretend it didn't happen if they get slaughtered. that's ridiculous
the issue is you're associating wins with the individual, which is where all the logical issues arise
wins are a team stat
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Yes. He eleveated their talent to a point where when he was gone, they were still very good.
LeBron can and will never be able to say that
LeBron can and will never be able to say that
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:12 am to Fearthehat0307
quote:Subtle troll is not so subtle any more.
MJ made his teammates more talented. they learned from him and he taught them to be better players. LBJ is a selfish tool that does nothing to better those around him, as proved by how bad the team is when he leaves.
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:12 am to Fearthehat0307
quote:
exactly my point. MJ made those around him better and taught them to be great.
when you rely on completely subjective assessments such as this, you can never lose an argument
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:there are many super elite players that aren't champions and it is held against them as is KD not winning a title. as it should be. you aren't disproving anything I said
durant's peak is certainly in the super elite tier. he's the only 50-40-90 player who has also won a scoring title
he's possibly the most diversified scorer of all time
This post was edited on 6/6/15 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:13 am to jimithing11
quote:
Yes. He eleveated their talent to a point where when he was gone, they were still very good.
this literally makes no sense in objective reality
but keep creating subjective mythology to use as your baseline. you can never lose if you only rely on your own opinion and can keep moving the goalpost
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:13 am to Fearthehat0307
quote:
MJ made those around him better and taught them to be great.
Exactly, that's why those wizards teams were so great. They had the ultimate teammate giving them more talent!!!!
Posted on 6/6/15 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
when you rely on completely subjective assessments such as this, you can never lose an argument
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