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re: NASCAR.. Who's The Goat? Earnhardt,Petty,Or Other?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:59 am to TripleBarrelBluff1
Posted on 9/3/24 at 7:59 am to TripleBarrelBluff1
Pre-Winston Cup, EVERYone raced multiple times a week. That was the system.
Yes, for a time, Petty was the racing parts distributor for MoPar. Made a lot of money doing that.
So, explain his success before and after the parts distribution gig. Petty won 57 races after MoPar got out of racing.
Yes, for a time, Petty was the racing parts distributor for MoPar. Made a lot of money doing that.
So, explain his success before and after the parts distribution gig. Petty won 57 races after MoPar got out of racing.
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:14 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Pre-Winston Cup, EVERYone raced multiple times a week. That was the system.
Sure, but Petty raced a lot more than the people that couldn't afford to do it on that level.
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So, explain his success before and after the parts distribution gig. Petty won 57 races after MoPar got out of racing.
He had the best car and the best engines. He was great, but I think people just see the number 200 and don't understand the context. He went an extremely long time after the rest of the sport caught up before win 200. And the still raced almost a decade after that. The man just lived to drive that car.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 8:15 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:18 am to TripleBarrelBluff1
So. Why didn't Petty win every title pre-Winston?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:46 am to FightinTigersDammit
Even with an edge, there are still lots of things outside of your control in racing.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:57 am to TripleBarrelBluff1
So. Where did Petty get all this money, pre-MoPar deal?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:23 pm to Torbemsti80
Earnhardt and Pearson are 1A and 1B and you can make an argument for both.
Dale won 7 titles, took the sport to levels never seen before and since, and was synonymous w/NASCAR and aside from David Pearson, is the greatest driver to ever wheel a stock car.
Pearson won 3 titles and 105 races. The 3 titles he won were won in 3 of the 4 years that he ran the full schedule. Now imagine if he'd have run the full schedule for 9-10 years? You'd be talking about someone with 8 or 9 titles and close to if not north of 300 wins. He was known as The Silver Fox for a reason. Dude was a bad motherfricker and smooth as silk.
My top 5:
1A: Earnhardt, Sr.
1B: Pearson
3: Gordon
4: Petty
5. Yarborough.
(DW, Bobby Allison, and Jimmie are honorable mentions)
ETA: Thanks to Bucky a page back for clarifying that Pearson ran the full schedule 4X. I always thought he ran it 3X. Learned something today
Dale won 7 titles, took the sport to levels never seen before and since, and was synonymous w/NASCAR and aside from David Pearson, is the greatest driver to ever wheel a stock car.
Pearson won 3 titles and 105 races. The 3 titles he won were won in 3 of the 4 years that he ran the full schedule. Now imagine if he'd have run the full schedule for 9-10 years? You'd be talking about someone with 8 or 9 titles and close to if not north of 300 wins. He was known as The Silver Fox for a reason. Dude was a bad motherfricker and smooth as silk.
My top 5:
1A: Earnhardt, Sr.
1B: Pearson
3: Gordon
4: Petty
5. Yarborough.
(DW, Bobby Allison, and Jimmie are honorable mentions)
ETA: Thanks to Bucky a page back for clarifying that Pearson ran the full schedule 4X. I always thought he ran it 3X. Learned something today
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:31 pm to sledgehammer
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Jimmie Johnson.
Jimmie, more than anyone else, benefited the most from the current points system. 4 of his titles were a direct result of the system that's in place now. Not a knock. He did what he needed to do with the rules that were in place, but had the old system that Earnhardt, Wallace, DW, and Gordon for most of his career been in place, he'd have 3 titles as compared to 7. And Gordon would have had 7(has 4) and Harvick 4(has 1). Those two got screwed the most under the points system that is in place now.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:34 pm to RollTide1987
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I firmly believe that the three most iconic drivers in the history of NASCAR were Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt, and Jeff Gordon.
Can't argue this.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:34 pm to InkStainedWretch
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if I had to choose one driver to win a race for me when my life and the lives of my family were riding on him winning that race for me, it would be David Pearson.
PREACH!Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:39 pm to prplhze2000
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Gordon was better than Dale
Let's not get crazy. He was on par w/Dale. But I will cede that he had more natural raw talent than Dale. That can't be ignored.
Gordon was great. Historically great. And had he not fricked his back up he would have won 2-3 more titles and 110+ races( He has 93) .
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:42 pm to BuckyCheese
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Was an Earnhardt fan, but the best Nascar driver ever was David Pearson.
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Petty regularly ran nearly all the races during his career. And there were 50-60 races per year in the 60s. Few teams ran the full schedule then as they did not have the factory backing the Petty's did.
When Pearson retired from racing a "full" schedule, he had more championships than Petty while starting racing Nascar a year later.
This is why Pearson is the best ever.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:49 pm to Torbemsti80
Jimmie Johnson and/or Cole Trickle
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:10 pm to FightinTigersDammit
The Pettys had no more money than Holman Moody, etc. But they were the only … check the records … well-funded team that CONSISTENTLY ran the full race schedule because that’s what they chose to do because racing is what they did.
And if you check the records, even they skipped a race or two along the way and not just for the various factory boycotts. Because what was demanded in those days was insane, and it’s why only a handful of the major teams ever attempted running all the races, and again nobody but the Pettys ever did it CONSISTENTLY. (That’s the important distinction.) Other teams like Cotton Owens, Holman Moody, K&K did it a time or two and said, “No mas.”
Joe Weatherly drove for like nine different owners in 1963 to win the title because Bud Moore who had his main ride said, “I ain’t doing that.”
The Pettys were certainly good and they put in the hours of work to survive that grind and deserve credit for that, but it must also be acknowledged that their competition in many of those races on the dirt bullring tracks NASCAR used to go to back in the day was Soapy Castles and Big John Sears. And the Pettys were basically the Rockefellers financially compared to those folks.
And if you check the records, even they skipped a race or two along the way and not just for the various factory boycotts. Because what was demanded in those days was insane, and it’s why only a handful of the major teams ever attempted running all the races, and again nobody but the Pettys ever did it CONSISTENTLY. (That’s the important distinction.) Other teams like Cotton Owens, Holman Moody, K&K did it a time or two and said, “No mas.”
Joe Weatherly drove for like nine different owners in 1963 to win the title because Bud Moore who had his main ride said, “I ain’t doing that.”
The Pettys were certainly good and they put in the hours of work to survive that grind and deserve credit for that, but it must also be acknowledged that their competition in many of those races on the dirt bullring tracks NASCAR used to go to back in the day was Soapy Castles and Big John Sears. And the Pettys were basically the Rockefellers financially compared to those folks.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:13 pm to InkStainedWretch
So, they DIDN'T have more money than everyone else. They just busted their asses, pushed hard, and got it done.
Just like anyone else could have.
Thank you.
Excellent post, BTW.
Just like anyone else could have.
Thank you.
Excellent post, BTW.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:15 pm to FightinTigersDammit
They didn’t have more money than everyone else in the grand scheme of things, but they had more money than the independents they were running against at Asheville Weaverville. Because the Pettys and the ragtag independents were the only ones fooling with those races.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:18 pm to FightinTigersDammit
I will brook no denigration of Richard Petty, he’s the single most important and significant personality in the history of the sport. But I try to look at his career both with respect and nuance.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:22 pm to InkStainedWretch
I can agree for the most part, but a lot of people on here just say "the Pettys only won because they had more money", and that's their whole story. They busted arse, did the work, and reaped the rewards for it. In other sports, that's called "paying the price". In the case of the Pettys, it's seen as a negative.
Lee Petty started in NASCAR as a self-employed mechanic, so they sure as hell didn't have a shitload of cash in the beginning.
Lee Petty started in NASCAR as a self-employed mechanic, so they sure as hell didn't have a shitload of cash in the beginning.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:39 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Speaking of Waltrip, he gets lost in these threads. He was a legit great driver, and a master on short tracks.
Darrell was a beast for about 10 years or so.
Too many people only know him from his backmarker days in the 90s when he should have been sitting home watching the race versus being in it.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:44 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Joe Weatherly drove for like nine different owners in 1963 to win the title because Bud Moore who had his main ride said, “I ain’t doing that.”
It was a different world back then.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 1:49 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Lee ran a little liquor too …
What Lee brought to the table was treating it from the very start like a business. Racing, and specifically Grand National/Winston Cup racing, was the Pettys’ business so by God when there was a Grand National/Winston Cup race, they were there.
The only others with that business like approach at the time were Holman-Moody and Ray Nichels, but they were involved in umpteen other kinds of racing where the Pettys concentrated on their specialty.
What Lee brought to the table was treating it from the very start like a business. Racing, and specifically Grand National/Winston Cup racing, was the Pettys’ business so by God when there was a Grand National/Winston Cup race, they were there.
The only others with that business like approach at the time were Holman-Moody and Ray Nichels, but they were involved in umpteen other kinds of racing where the Pettys concentrated on their specialty.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 1:50 pm
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