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re: More impressive MJs two 3 peats or LBJs possible one?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:15 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:15 pm to BayouBengals03
Besides Miami, what are the dominating teams in the eastern conference? The Bulls with a healthy Derrick Rose? Pacers when they're not playing sloppy?
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:17 pm to trom83
The Eastern Conference was terrible this season.
The Celtics in 2011 and 2012, Bulls with a healthy Rose, and Pacers last year were the Heat's biggest competition. Not much.
I really like every team in the Western Conference playoffs this year could have beaten the Pacers in a series.
The Celtics in 2011 and 2012, Bulls with a healthy Rose, and Pacers last year were the Heat's biggest competition. Not much.
I really like every team in the Western Conference playoffs this year could have beaten the Pacers in a series.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:17 pm to BayouBengals03
I think people forget that you can not win it alone. They think that LeBron or MJ won it alone it was because of them and them alone to win the title.
I have yet to see a title team that did not have atleast 2 guys that you had to account for in some way.
I think the best way to possibly judge is what would the Heat do without LeBron? What would the Bulls done without Jordan?
We can say we have seen it, but we really havent as neither have gone into a Finals with one just missing the Finals.
I have yet to see a title team that did not have atleast 2 guys that you had to account for in some way.
I think the best way to possibly judge is what would the Heat do without LeBron? What would the Bulls done without Jordan?
We can say we have seen it, but we really havent as neither have gone into a Finals with one just missing the Finals.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:17 pm to ForkEmDemons
quote:its unprovable, genius. Same way you can't prove it's better
compared to the teams today the league back then was much better top to bottom, which you still haven't disproved.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:22 pm to sms151t
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What would the Bulls have done without Jordan?
Get back to the Eastern Conference Finals?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:23 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
I still think the "big three" will be on separate teams next season. We'll see where all these bandwagon Miami Heat fans go to.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:23 pm to Stringer Bell
Why are young LeBron fans so desperate for people to see him in the same light as MJ? I like LeBron and other than the ridiculous and nauseating self important way he announced his signing with the Heat and the stupid celebration following the big 3 signing he has been an incredible ambassador for the NBA and a consumate professional.
MJ will probably always be considered a step above LeBron because he was so clutch and he carried his team singlehandedly more but LeBron will end up being one of the 10 greatest players of all time. You youngsters should be satisfied with that.
MJ will probably always be considered a step above LeBron because he was so clutch and he carried his team singlehandedly more but LeBron will end up being one of the 10 greatest players of all time. You youngsters should be satisfied with that.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:24 pm to Stringer Bell
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The two MJ had were impressive but the Bulls barely missed a beat when he was gone for gambling. As for LBJ four straight finals and a potential 3 peat that could be a 4 peat if he wasnt off a few times in 2011. Which is more impressive IYO?
Is this a joke??? its not gonna be a 4 peat because he was bad in 2011, so theress no "almost"
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:26 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:
its unprovable, genius. Same way you can't prove it's better
Actually you can easily look at the number of hall of famers in the league then and make a fair judgement that the league was stronger all around then just due to the number of HOF players in that era compared to now.
Also note the number of legit title contenders then, which was over 10 is greater than the number of legit contenders now 3. This does show that the league was stronger from top to bottom then than now as it was tougher to get to and win the finals during that era.
No way you can say that Lebron's path to the finals was as tough as Jordan's when Jordan to win his first three titles had to get past Magic, Ewing, Starks, Barkley, Miller, Clyde, Thomas, Ehlo on a yearly basis when the Heat have had nowhere near that caliber of teams that Jordan had to face.
Not discounting Lebron. He is a great player and will end up as one of the top players of all time. If the Heat win they will have an impressive 4 year run. No one is discounting what they have accomplished.
Just looking at it from perspective it just isn't on the same level as what Jordan and the Bulls had to go through to win their first 3 (and last 3).
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:26 pm to Mohamed Ali
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The NBA is better now than it was during MJ's day - so I say Lebron's single three peat.
Has anyone over the age of 23 said lebrons could be better?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:27 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:dont y'all get it? Y'all romanticize the 90s teams who couldn't win, but dismiss the current teams who can't win, either. They're the same. Old KG/PP celtics= old/broken bird celtics. Ewing/Starks Knicks teams= Paul George/west pacer teams who can't win unless lebron (MJ) quit for 2 years to strike out in AA baseball. KJ/Barkley sun teams= Durant/Westbrook OKC teams. Old magic laker teams= old Duncan spur teams
The Celtics in 2011 and 2012, Bulls with a healthy Rose, and Pacers last year were the Heat's biggest competition. Not much.
It's all the same!! Different jerseys, same teams, same nostalgia of the ole days being amazing while these young whippersnappers suck. It's just not true
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:29 pm to jg8623
The Hakeem Olajuwon/Clyde Drexler/Robert Horry led Houston Rockets won it all the two years MJ was away so I hope you are kidding about the Bulls not missing a beat.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:30 pm to Mohamed Ali
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People are just bigger, stronger, faster, smarter with better training and information then ever before and world records are flying off the board in all sports. But the Nba was better 30 years ago
All of this. And it isn't even close.
Idiots. Its illogical to use this as a way of debating whos better. Humans/athletes are always evolving and always getting better. You cant fault someone for being born 20 years earlier than someone else. You have to judge them all relative to that time period. 25 years from now people will be even more athletic than today, doesnt mean the players today wont still be great basketball players
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:32 pm to ForkEmDemons
quote:well, obviously there are no current HoFers in the NBA, so if you use that theory, you win every time. Secondly, the HOF in basketball is a joke. They don't even have an nba HoF of its own. It's a collective basketball HoF that has high school coaches and referees in. It's garbage. It's a really poor way to measure greatness of an era, unless we have this conversation in 20 years and can compare today's HoFers to yesteryear's
Actually you can easily look at the number of hall of famers in the league then and make a fair judgement that the league was stronger all around then just due to the number of HOF players in that era compared to now.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:32 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:
dont y'all get it? Y'all romanticize the 90s teams who couldn't win, but dismiss the current teams who can't win, either.
What? Not at all what I was saying.
The Eastern Conference this year was fricking terrible. That was the point. Literally not a single team in the East would take more than 1 game off of the Spurs or Thunder or whoever was coming out of the West. It's not that they aren't winning titles because of LeBron, it's that they aren't fricking good.
The East in Jordan's day usually had 3-4 teams that could be competitive with the West teams. Just a lot more balance between the two conferences.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:40 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:yes, the east was down this year, but you're speculating as to the strength of Jordan's era. As I outlined, all those teams were flawed, too. Could today's heat win back then? We'll never know. But you can only beat who's in front of you. You make it sound like Jordan's bulls never got a favorable matchup and/or had an easy route. It's nostalgia of the era that everyone remembers the good teams, not the shite bag teams who lost constantly.
The Eastern Conference this year was fricking terrible. That was the point. Literally not a single team in the East would take more than 1 game off of the Spurs or Thunder or whoever was coming out of the West. It's not that they aren't winning titles because of LeBron, it's that they aren't fricking good. The East in Jordan's day usually had 3-4 teams that could be competitive with the West teams. Just a lot more balance between the two conferences.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:51 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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dont y'all get it? Y'all romanticize the 90s teams who couldn't win, but dismiss the current teams who can't win, either. They're the same. Old KG/PP celtics= old/broken bird celtics. Ewing/Starks Knicks teams= Paul George/west pacer teams who can't win unless lebron (MJ) quick for 2 years to strike out in AA baseball. KJ/Barkley sun teams= Durant/Westbrook OKC teams. Old magic laker teams= old Duncan spur teams
Again that isn't saying that their are not "good" teams not, just that league league had more "good" teams then that were capable of winning a title.
The league back then had much more depth as far as good teams go.
Now - Heat, Spurs, Thunder are the only teams to have a legit shot to win the title. Warriors,, Clippers were good. Pacers and Bulls were pretty horrible and the Pacers went to the ECF playing about as bad as a team can play.
Then - Bulls, Suns, Pistons, Knicks, Cavs, Lakers, Celtics, Rockers, Sonics, Warriors, Horners, Magic, Blazers were all good enough to make a run to the championship and all had either a legit all time great on their team or had 2 or 3 legit all-stars.
If you need any proof of the depth of the NBA back then watch the Nuggets-Sonics from 1994. Unbelievable series that matches any Conference final you can watch and that was a first round game.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 10:09 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:
You make it sound like Jordan's bulls never got a favorable matchup and/or had an easy route.
Of course the Bulls had easier series (1992 Miami). But to win they went through
1991:
Knicks (Ewing, Oakley, Jackson)
76ers (Barkley, Elie, Hawkins)
Pistons (Thomas, Lambeer, Dumars, Rodman)
Lakers (Magic,Green,Divac,Perkins, Scott, Worthy)
1992:
Miami - I'll give you that one
New York - (Ewing, Starks, Mason, Jackson, X-Man)
Cavs - (Ehlo, Daugherty, Ferry)
Blazers - (Drexler, Ainge, Kersey, Robinson)
1993
Hawks - (Dominique, Augmon, Blaylock)
Cleveland - (Ehlo, Daugherty, Ferry)
New York - (Ewing, Starks, Mason, Jackson, X-Man)
Phoenix - (Barkley, Majerle, KJ, Ainge, Ceballos)
You can't look at that list and come close to saying the Heat have played in any playoffs that were remotely that tough.
The 1993 Hawks team were better than this Pacer team that went to the ECF and they were a 7 seed.
Again, not a slam against Lebron, but there is no way you can be objective and say that the playoffs are as strong today as they were back then. The field was easily much more deep then as compared to now.
That era was easily the greatest era in NBA history, no comparison.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 10:25 pm to ForkEmDemons
quote:you're speculating. You don't know. You're trying to act like a Charlotte hornets team was a powerhouse capable of winning. They weren't and they didn't. It's all hearsay bullshite. "Look at all those great teams back then..." So great bc why? The hornets? Really?
Again that isn't saying that their are not "good" teams not, just that league league had more "good" teams then that were capable of winning a title.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 10:38 pm to ForkEmDemons
quote:no bias here at all. You think all those teams were amazing, I see dan Majerle and wonder how steph curry is any worse. Other than those being your glory days, i don't see how those 2nd/3rd/4th string guys you listed are any better/different than a durant/Westbrook/ibaka trio or a garnet/Allen/pierce trio. I contend these teams are all the same, past and present. The perspective is just different.
That era was easily the greatest era in NBA history, no comparison.
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