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MLB to crack down on pitchers using foreign substances
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:09 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:09 am
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MLB's attempts to crack down on foreign substances are outlined in a memo obtained by ESPN. Among the plans: -
Increased monitoring by compliance officers
- Inspections of baseballs taken out of play that will use a third-party lab to check for substances
- Spin-rate analysis
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Compliance officers will monitor dugouts, clubhouses, tunnels, batting cages and bullpens. They will take a random sample of balls, and the lab will search not just for the substances themselves but the type being utilized. Statcast data will compare spin rate to career norms.
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The memo, first reported by
@Joelsherman1
, says: “Players are subject to discipline by the Commissioner’s Office for violating the Official Baseball Rules regardless of whether evidence of the violation has been discovered during or following a game.”
:looksAtTrevorBauer:
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I’ve been chasing spin rate since 2012," Trevor Bauer said in February. "But eight years later, I haven’t found any other way except using foreign substances."
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Bauer’s sudden jump in spin rate was noted by FanGraphs at the end of last season, when he gained something like 400 rpm on his fastball in the month of September. Not gradually! For most of his career his four-seamer hovered below 2300 rpm, with a modest increase into the 2400s in early 2019. Then whammo, the calendar flipped to September and all at once that heater was topping 2700 rpm and headed for 2800. That’s not a minor increase, not in absolute terms and not when compared to his peers: Bauer’s fastball went from average spin to literally the highest spin rate in all of baseball.
As an Astros fan who am I to judge Tyler for using something to alter his grip on the ball. Our pitchers do, a ton of other pitchers do it. But Bauer has been the moral authority on calling others out for doing this until in his contract year, his spin rate spikes to a ridiculous level and he rides the success to a Cy Young and $30 million a year.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:10 am to Lsuhoohoo
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As an Astros fan who am I to judge
great post
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:11 am to Lsuhoohoo
Apart from Bauer, I imagine pitchers aren't thrilled about this and its going to lead to a spike in hit batters both accidental and intentional to pressure MLB to reverse course in the name of safety.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:12 am to mizslu314
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mizslu314
Cards fan?
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:14 am to Lsuhoohoo
I hope this doesn't affect Daisuke Matsuzaka being able to throw the gyroball
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:14 am to Lsuhoohoo
Will TBS refer to these as “international substances”?
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:16 am to mizslu314
Did anyone figure out that increase MPH thing yet? Spin rate, so many more pitchers throwing in the mid-90s and up, and Tommy John surgery in high school, college, and the first few years in pro-ball. Pitchers can't wait to have it, so they can come back and still throw a 100 mph. Yeah, has anyone actually been paying attention to MLB in the last decade? Hint: it's not a vaseline issue.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:16 am to Lsuhoohoo
Look, if I'm a batter and the pitcher is throwing 95mph heaters up and in, you better believe I want that guy to have as much control as possible... let em have it
Last thing you want is a pitcher losing control and getting smoked in the face at that speed
Last thing you want is a pitcher losing control and getting smoked in the face at that speed
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:20 am to McCaigBro69
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I am fine with this.
From the team the brought you Justin Verlander 2.0, Ace level Gerrit Cole, Lance McCullers curveball and Collin McHugh off the junk pile, I'm less ok with this.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:21 am to McCaigBro69
Great... now allow them to inject foreign substances into their bodies again.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:24 am to teke184
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Will TBS refer to these as “international substances”?
Not everyone will get this, but I appreciate the Skip Caray reference.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:27 am to LSUGrad9295
Not even a Skip reference, directly.
TBS had a network diktat that you couldn’t say “foreign” on the air in the 90s and had to use “international” instead, to the point where WCW referred to chairs as “international objects”.
TBS had a network diktat that you couldn’t say “foreign” on the air in the 90s and had to use “international” instead, to the point where WCW referred to chairs as “international objects”.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:30 am to LSUGrad9295
One more quip on Bauer...
Guess how much rpm he added? Did you guess 400? Close! 399! he didn't add 400 because he has morals.
Clearly he had experimented with it before and knew exactly what impact it would have on his pitches. Coming off his disastrous 6.39 ERA after his trade to Cincy and headed into a shortened season contract year he threw out his "morals" in a play for the payday.
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@BauerOutage
The rules should be enforced as they’re written. Pine tar is more of a competitive advantage in a given game than steroids are.
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@BauerOutage
My fastball is about 2250 rpm on average. I know for a fact I can add 400 rpm to it by using pine tar. Look how much better I would be if I didn’t have morals...
Guess how much rpm he added? Did you guess 400? Close! 399! he didn't add 400 because he has morals.
Clearly he had experimented with it before and knew exactly what impact it would have on his pitches. Coming off his disastrous 6.39 ERA after his trade to Cincy and headed into a shortened season contract year he threw out his "morals" in a play for the payday.
This post was edited on 3/24/21 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:39 am to Lsuhoohoo
You are misrepresenting the Bauer situation but sure...whatever.
YEah dude. Hes Trevor Bauer. He is a mad scientist. The dude basically measures the lengths of turds.
He looks around at dudes like his nemesis Garrett Cole and all these other cats fricking creating blackholes with their spin rates and is like "ive asked the MLB to either make it legal or crack down, theyve done neither so im going to show you what you are asking individual pitchers to choose between".
The next year they crack down. Successful point if you ask me.
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Clearly he had expierimted with it before and knew exactly what impact it would have on his pitches.
YEah dude. Hes Trevor Bauer. He is a mad scientist. The dude basically measures the lengths of turds.
He looks around at dudes like his nemesis Garrett Cole and all these other cats fricking creating blackholes with their spin rates and is like "ive asked the MLB to either make it legal or crack down, theyve done neither so im going to show you what you are asking individual pitchers to choose between".
The next year they crack down. Successful point if you ask me.
This post was edited on 3/24/21 at 10:42 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:42 am to Hester Carries
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You are misrepresenting the Bauer situation
~Bauer blasts others for cheating with foreign substances
~Bauer says there's no way to gain that type of spin rate without foreign substances
~Bauer says he could add 400 rpm to his fastball if he used foreign substances
~Bauer adds 400 rpm to his curveball.
But sure...whatever.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:44 am to Lsuhoohoo
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~Bauer blasts others for cheating with foreign substances
~Bauer says there's no way to gain that type of spin rate without foreign substances
~Bauer says he could add 400 rpm to his fastball if he used foreign substances
~Bauer adds 400 rpm to his curveball.
But sure...whatever.
Bauer used a shite of foreign substances last year and has cheekily pretty much admitted it.
He did it on fricking purpose to prove a point. You making it out to be "he doesnt want people to know hes doing it, he is now a hypocrite, and he did it for a huge contract" is a purposeful misrepresentation.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:44 am to teke184
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Will TBS refer to these as “international substances”?
Only the American Dream, Dusty Rhodes will.
(yes I know Dusty has passed on)
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:46 am to Lsuhoohoo
They should make pitchers throw underhand
It’s the arm’s natural motion
It’s the arm’s natural motion
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