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re: MLB Thread 9/4 - 9/10
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:01 am to UltimateHog
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:01 am to UltimateHog
Gorman is not a 2B to me. Cards need to unclog their 1B/DH jam and he should probably be considered. It’s tough to play Goldschmidt Walker and Gorman in a lineup together everyday and he’s the least valuable of those 3
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:01 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Goldy only has 1 year left and will be 37. That solves itself next year.
Walker will go back to 1B his regular position.
Walker will go back to 1B his regular position.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:02 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:06 am to UltimateHog
It still has value to many. And WAR takes that into consideration.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:07 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Walker has a -0.1 bWAR and 0.3 fWAR.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:10 am to UltimateHog
Gorman's next 2 year ZiPS
32 and 34 HR's.
You're the type that would trade him then bitch all year when we have no power again.
I'm not okay with trading away our top power hitter at 23 in his first full season.
32 and 34 HR's.
You're the type that would trade him then bitch all year when we have no power again.
I'm not okay with trading away our top power hitter at 23 in his first full season.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:13 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:14 am to UltimateHog
I know. I haven't been pumping him up either. But he's 21. And doesn't have an awful strikeout percentage. I also think he slides over to 1B after next year.
Nah. But I would bitch about finishing in last place again with more trash pitchers.
Nah. But I would bitch about finishing in last place again with more trash pitchers.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:18 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:16 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Meh, if he wants to be Kyle Schwarber I'm not mad. Every team needs those guys that are pure power. Especially if you can get it at 2B.
Not that he's near .192 in year 9.
Not that he's near .192 in year 9.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:18 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:20 am to UltimateHog
And Schwarber has 11.5 WAR in 9 seasons. That's not someone I'm building around.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:21 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Gorman's 3 year ZiPS is already at that so no need to worry there. Posted it above.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:27 am to UltimateHog
Trading Goldschmidt this year probably should have happened to be honest, but you’re right. They would have gotten a haul for him (likely a potential piece of the rotation for next year). Regardless Gorman isn’t the type to keep untouchable to me. He’s a good player, but the 1B/DH types like him don’t always age great unless they’re an extremely special bat, like Goldy and like Walker is looking. If a team wants to swap a ready rotation piece for him they should consider it. Miami seems like an ideal candidate
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:28 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:30 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Gorman's bat looks special to me though and sounds like to our front office. They will build around those 2 and Winn with Arenado still with many good years left as your veteran. Cards lack of power makes Gorman more necessary IMO.
I would have traded Goldy too, the age is getting there quick. 36 on Sunday.
Plus this a pretty loaded FA pitcher class. I think you can sign and not trade.
I would have traded Goldy too, the age is getting there quick. 36 on Sunday.
Plus this a pretty loaded FA pitcher class. I think you can sign and not trade.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:35 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:37 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
You view him through the same prism as I do. I like him. But someone with a 115 OPS+ striking out 33% of the time isn't untouchable to me. If someone offers a good, young, and controllable pitcher I would at least think about it.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:38 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Yeah the power is untouchable for me. I don't care how much he whiffs.
Maybe if we had a power hitting OF like most teams, but we don't.
Maybe if we had a power hitting OF like most teams, but we don't.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:40 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:39 am to UltimateHog
If they want to spend to that level then that’s the ticket for sure. Pitching in free agency can be tough but it’s a great market for it this winter. Cards need 3 or 4 starters probably (don’t all need to be high profile guys) and they probably need at least 2 guys who you’d feel comfortable starting in a 5 game series, maybe 3 if we’re being honest.
St Louis has a lot of position player talent it just fits together poorly in my opinion, and I think the pitching talent is quite rough if you make an honest comparison to current contenders. They seem like an ideal candidate to make some sort of baseball trade with a team that has pitching depth (Miami, Seattle to name two) to fill at least one of those pitching holes
St Louis has a lot of position player talent it just fits together poorly in my opinion, and I think the pitching talent is quite rough if you make an honest comparison to current contenders. They seem like an ideal candidate to make some sort of baseball trade with a team that has pitching depth (Miami, Seattle to name two) to fill at least one of those pitching holes
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:41 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
They have a lot of room this offseason to spend.
Mo said the Cards insane record of never giving a free agent SP over $80M will all but end.
So they'll def add one top arm for sure. Snell may very well be the guy.
Carlson and Donovan are likely traded. Possibly Edman too. Cards have too many multi-position guys and still too many OFers.
Nootbaar has also been deemed untouchable I hear.
Mo said the Cards insane record of never giving a free agent SP over $80M will all but end.
So they'll def add one top arm for sure. Snell may very well be the guy.
Carlson and Donovan are likely traded. Possibly Edman too. Cards have too many multi-position guys and still too many OFers.
Nootbaar has also been deemed untouchable I hear.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:43 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:42 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
There’s nothing wrong with K’ing 33% of the time to me. When you stack 3 or 4 guys like that it becomes an issue but St Louis doesn’t seem like that type of org. Him and Walker can anchor the middle of a good lineup for a while. Just like you I like Gorman, but you have to give something to get something and I would at least listen on him if a high end controllable starter was available in exchange
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:45 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:46 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Ideally you trade Donovan/Carlson/Edman combo of some sort and a minor guy or whatever for say a 3, and sign 2 free agents above.
Plenty of ways to go about it though.
They'll def be doing some dealing and signing this winter and probably all for pitching as it should be.
Plenty of ways to go about it though.
They'll def be doing some dealing and signing this winter and probably all for pitching as it should be.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:46 am to UltimateHog
I don't think replacing his power is as difficult as you make it out to be. Baker or Gomez could hit 25 jacks if given the playing time. Edman has already put up a 6.3 WAR season at 2B while winning a Gold Glove.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:48 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
I think you are underselling how hard it is to hit 30+ HR's myself.
Edman likely isn't a Cardinal in a few months. He is batting .246 with a 97 OPS+ this year and has no position with Winn now.
Edman likely isn't a Cardinal in a few months. He is batting .246 with a 97 OPS+ this year and has no position with Winn now.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 12:51 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:56 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Let me ask you this, are you keeping Donovan or Edman if you can only keep one super UTIL?
Donovan easily no?
I'll save the rest for offseason thread so we don't derail this too bad. Shane is right though too many guys don't mesh as a lineup, granted we're top 10 in about every offensive stat so it's not like it needs to blow up but too many super UTIL guys for my taste.
Donovan easily no?
I'll save the rest for offseason thread so we don't derail this too bad. Shane is right though too many guys don't mesh as a lineup, granted we're top 10 in about every offensive stat so it's not like it needs to blow up but too many super UTIL guys for my taste.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 1:05 am
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